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Re: Dark Souls GBC Demake

Reply #30 on: February 25, 2015, 01:06:38 pm
well youve really nailed the look, it shouted dark souls at me as soon as i saw it :D and the perspective looks great  :y:

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Reply #31 on: February 25, 2015, 01:39:08 pm
What will happen to the player when moving through that room with the perspective? will he be seen from full top view?
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Reply #32 on: February 25, 2015, 01:55:22 pm
Love this!

Here's a sort of middle-ground between the two perspectives:

In the image on the right, the south/east/west walls are a third smaller than the north one. 
(Just scaled as a test, and not cleaned up, but you get the idea, worth experimenting with I think). 

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Re: Dark Souls GBC Demake

Reply #33 on: February 26, 2015, 12:17:19 am
Decroded: The good thing is I can bend things however I wish as long as it fits the restrictions >:D so I think I will make the north wall more traditionally 3/4ths so that the door can be more impressive, as I think that will do a lot to get the feel of the original game.
Probo: thanks :D
Kazuya Mochu: Thats one of the "problems" as the character wouldn't change. I'm fine with a little bit of perspective bending, but the boss room will be receiving a bit of a make over.
rikifuzz: Thanks! Yep I like where that example is going; getting the best of both worlds.

In other news, I made this cutscene image of Oscar all with sprite palettes, forgtting about the 40 sprites on screen at a time, heh. I've zeroed in on the ones that " have" to be tiles ( the light rays could potentially be tiles that swap for animation, but would lose their transparency which is most of the point) and counted 34. Just enough to also show the character sprite. Will have do some work to make it fit. It's a fun challenge  :crazy:



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Re: Dark Souls GBC Demake

Reply #34 on: February 26, 2015, 02:13:10 am
However, if I get what Ai is saying, I can have 8 palettes per area as opposed to 8 palettes in the entire game, so that certainly allows me to play a a bit more with stuff like the torchlight areas.

On the GBC you get 8 palettes of 4 colours for the tile layer, and another set of 8 for the sprite layer. These palettes can be changed freely during run time, for fades, effects etc. from the 32k colours it can display. (15 bit)

Can transparency be turned off of sprites to allow full coverage and 4 colors like in my menu?

Transparency is part of the PPU on the sprite layer so can't be turned off AFAIK. On the upside, the tile layer has no forced shared colour so you may use 4 individual colours per palette.

Also been wondering about movement, is it all purely tile based? I'm planning on building the boss in parts,and was wondering if animation could be done by moving those parts pixels at a time, or if it has to be "baked" so to speak into the individual sprites themselves.

Tile slots can only change tile data. Of course this can be animated tiles to give the illusion of smooth movement. Anything on the sprite layer can be moved freely.
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Re: Dark Souls GBC Demake

Reply #35 on: February 26, 2015, 02:58:26 am
Thanks for the wisdom hawken! 8 palettes at any time frees me up quite a bit.
 
Can you think of any way that my current item set up would work with 4 colors? Or if i wanted to overlay with that diamond shape would each have to be sprites of 3 colors only? I assume windowed mode couldn't show a shape like that?

Anybody got any inspirational/ inventive low color UI stuff or is it all necessarily pretty boring given restrictions?

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Re: Dark Souls GBC Demake

Reply #36 on: February 27, 2015, 06:13:47 am
Man this sprite limit is a lot more restrictive than I thought it would be. 40 sounds like a lot, but it adds up quick. The character with sword and shield is 6 already, and I was planning on some of the hud stuff being sprites too. My first take at the asylum demon ran in at 32 sprites- without wings or a hammer. I slightly more anorexic take brought me down to 24, but suffers a lot for it. I would imagine the hammer alone would have to be at least 6-10 to look impressive enough.

Perhaps I could make the boss smaller, and the environment smaller too so that he still feels large. Either that or I would have to craft some sort of set up where part of him is stationary tiles ( torso/ head) with only his arms and feet moving. hmm...

In the mean time I also completed the oscar cutscene mock up. I'm sure the application of the palettes are a mess, but right now it's just a thought experiment more than the perfect execution.
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32 mockup with a hammer that would send me way over the limit


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Re: Dark Souls GBC Demake

Reply #37 on: February 27, 2015, 09:54:39 am
Wow - Really really looks great! 

Usually (I think) neighbouring palettes share a colour, so the boundary is a bit hidden?  (I'm not sure, just guessing).  But I think having very apparent palette blocks here has given it a really interesting look somehow. 

I haven't played too many GBC games, so this may all be old news to everyone else, I dunno.  :)

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Re: Dark Souls GBC Demake

Reply #38 on: February 27, 2015, 04:04:28 pm
The yellow bright shine blocks on the closeup of Oscar are great, yes. Why hide attribute clash?

I do think you'd need to make game elements smaller, though, if not the character sprite (16x16 sadly should be enough) certainly the bosses. The core gameplay of circling boss entities would best be de-made in a zeldaesque fashion (that's dark souls' inspiration anyway). So I would expect bosses made out of repeated tile elements with sprite arms that attack around them more than I'd expect a boss SPRITE that rotates fully and attacks around themselves. There's just not enough memory to do huge sprites on a gbc cart.

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Re: Dark Souls GBC Demake

Reply #39 on: February 27, 2015, 04:33:49 pm
this is so good its making me uncomfortable. I feel self-conscious of my skills :D
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