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postan this everywheeeeeeere

Haven't gotten many actual crits on these yet, so i'm here now :D

1st guy has 16 colors
2nd has 12
3rd has 15

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Re: [wip] Man they would really make a horrible team of heroes

Reply #1 on: November 29, 2008, 03:15:15 am
The fat guy has a certain quality to him that outlasts the others. I'm diggin' his jacket. The big black spots on the fat guys pants don't suit, in my opinion.

The guy with the gun- it's harder to tell where shading and stuff is, but overall it's good.

The hat guy- I love his pose, but his hat has some odd shading going on. It's sort of jagged.

Anyways, cool stuff. I'm looking forward to the guy with the red stuff on his hands. ;)

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Re: [wip] Man they would really make a horrible team of heroes

Reply #2 on: November 29, 2008, 06:09:07 pm
started on the 4th guy, i'm probably going to redo his jacket because i dont like how it turned out

tried to fix the hat, but i'm pretty stuck on how i would make it smoother without adding a shade :T

and i got rid of those black spots under the fat guy's knees so hopefully that looks better now

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Re: [wip] Man they would really make a horrible team of heroes

Reply #3 on: November 29, 2008, 06:14:44 pm
You've come a long way in a year. I also like the fat guy better than the other two, though there's nothing wrong with them either... he's just got more personality. I find the highlight on his nose too bright, though... looks like he's got bird poop or something on it. Also agree that the shading on the pants is wrong... too dark below the knee. Combined with the (too) short calves, it looks like his legs are bent back, as if he's jumping and kicking his heels up behind him, although that's clearly not the case because of the way his feet are.

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Re: [wip] Man they would really make a horrible team of heroes

Reply #4 on: November 29, 2008, 06:51:06 pm
Definitely that asian style of pixeling with the skinny limbs and fat bodies. Love the 2008 versions a lot more, except for the last 2. Especially the fat guy.

I think the last 2 need to be more consistent with the first 3.

Nice work.
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Re: [wip] Man they would really make a horrible team of heroes

Reply #5 on: November 29, 2008, 06:56:52 pm
I think the last 2 need to be more consistent with the first 3.
How are they inconsistent? Really the only way I can see they look different would be the fact that I gave them huge pants, though I'm probably missing something obvious :F

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Re: [wip] Man they would really make a horrible team of heroes

Reply #6 on: November 29, 2008, 07:00:17 pm
You have a cool pixel style going, with the two by two spectrals and 45 degree lines(Reminds me of Doppleganger). Why abandon it on the faces? They look kinda noisy, even though there isn't dithering. In a collection where such harsh geometric patterns are prominent, any slight organic curve will look out of place. Especially on the faces, which are a focal point because of their brightness. So, if you apply a clean angle when shading the face, it helps refine things a bit.

How does it compare?

The square highlight on the big guy's right shoulder doesn't look right. If you moved it over a tad it would. As it is, it makes his shoulder appear flat when it really isn't.

All I really have for critique is to say to go over another pass and clean things up and refine a bit, and I know these are wip so it's sort of useless.

Cool stuff.

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Re: [wip] Man they would really make a horrible team of heroes

Reply #7 on: November 29, 2008, 10:39:14 pm


alright, i tried fixing the faces and the shoulder on the fat guy, and i messed with the 4th guy some more

edit:

progress + haircut get
« Last Edit: November 30, 2008, 12:31:02 am by 1up »

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Re: [wip] Man they would really make a horrible team of heroes

Reply #8 on: November 30, 2008, 11:40:30 am
The old hair was more dynamic really, The long side of the jacket closest to us (still on the 4th guy), seems to have more of a gradient than actual shape going on. It'd be nice to see a little hint of a gold coming from the back there.

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Re: [wip] Man they would really make a horrible team of heroes

Reply #9 on: November 30, 2008, 01:32:48 pm
The old hair was more dynamic really, The long side of the jacket closest to us (still on the 4th guy), seems to have more of a gradient than actual shape going on. It'd be nice to see a little hint of a gold coming from the back there.

...or red light from his fireball. I mean, right now you have just some stringy red lines, but I assume those will turn into fire eventually, like in the '07 version. Presumably that would cast some light.

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Re: [wip] Man they would really make a horrible team of heroes

Reply #10 on: November 30, 2008, 02:39:03 pm
I'm surprise how much they've improve in a year time. So much more characteristic in all of them.

However, if I may say, I think character 1,2 and 5 share too many similarity. I believe the more common set up you're going for is, tall thin man, follow by a tiny guy/kid, a fat man, a hot headed guy, and a female counterpart of the hot headed guy? I think when you set them further apart from one another, the comparison helps to show the characteristic. Like when you place a small guy beside a big guy, small seems smaller, and big seems bigger, making it more interesting.

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Re: [wip] Man they would really make a horrible team of heroes

Reply #11 on: November 30, 2008, 08:06:39 pm
The old hair was more dynamic really, The long side of the jacket closest to us (still on the 4th guy), seems to have more of a gradient than actual shape going on. It'd be nice to see a little hint of a gold coming from the back there.
haha thanks for pointing that out, I forgot i had the red there tbh

I also tried going back to the old hairstyle while making it look *somewhat* more realistic
I'm surprise how much they've improve in a year time. So much more characteristic in all of them.

However, if I may say, I think character 1,2 and 5 share too many similarity. I believe the more common set up you're going for is, tall thin man, follow by a tiny guy/kid, a fat man, a hot headed guy, and a female counterpart of the hot headed guy? I think when you set them further apart from one another, the comparison helps to show the characteristic. Like when you place a small guy beside a big guy, small seems smaller, and big seems bigger, making it more interesting.
would you mind explaining more how they look similar? i don't mind changing them, but all i'm getting from that part of the post is that they share too many characteristics
« Last Edit: November 30, 2008, 09:22:18 pm by 1up »

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Re: [wip] Man they would really make a horrible team of heroes

Reply #12 on: November 30, 2008, 08:58:44 pm
The first 3 characters are very brown and black maybe you could change the colors for them.  Decide which one you want to have the brown and black look and maybe differentiate the rest.  However if they are the same because they are a team I think that is ok.(I'm only talking about the first 3 being a team) 

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Re: [wip] Man they would really make a horrible team of heroes

Reply #13 on: November 30, 2008, 09:11:20 pm
The first 3 characters are very brown and black maybe you could change the colors for them.  Decide which one you want to have the brown and black look and maybe differentiate the rest.  However if they are the same because they are a team I think that is ok.(I'm only talking about the first 3 being a team) 
yeah, the first 3 I had originally made to be some SUPAHCRAZYHEROES for a godawful webcomic i had going on pixeltendold for awhile

the last 2 were thrown on because I was going through some of my other pixels from 2007, and I happened to like those ones too so I added them on.

edit: I was thinking of slightly messing with some of the colors on the last 2 so they would fit in a bit more, but I don't know
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Re: [wip] Man they would really make a horrible team of heroes

Reply #14 on: November 30, 2008, 10:27:18 pm
Well, I'm not so sure if I am absolutely right about my comment. It might be just me though.

Anyway, I made a slight comparison on the characters silhouette here.


I removed the hat of the 1st character, so it might be a little unfair. But you can see that the 3, when place side by side have quite a bit of similarity. The average size and the pose especially.

What I suggest is to exaggerate their individual characteristic further to set them apart. What does the rest of you guys think?
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Re: [wip] Man they would really make a horrible team of heroes

Reply #15 on: November 30, 2008, 11:16:20 pm
I think they are consistent and good, I like their sillhouettes, very dynamic and nice.

I also like how the big guy is BUTT HUEG, he also looks badass.

Actually my only gripe is with the guy with the hat, it's just that the hat exists in another dimension of stylization. It's just way too big and floppy! (imo) Also I'm not completely sure about the previous suggestion that the red lightning thing should reflect on the guy's body, if you're gonna animate him, better stay away from that. Also I have a thing for polished pixels plus flat colored elements, so I'm biased : D

Anyways, work on polish for now, I'd say. They're all coming along nicely.
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Re: [wip] Man they would really make a horrible team of heroes

Reply #16 on: December 01, 2008, 12:21:48 am
oh wow, i guess they do look pretty similar. I can mess with their heights a bit to try and separate them, though I might just end up completely redoing them because I haven't really liked how the 2nd and 5th ones look tbh

anyways, did like 5 pixels of shading up on the 4th guy :crazy: and shaded his hair. also he has face pants until I force myself to start working on them

@Jad: Yeah, I keep putting off trying to fix the hat on him. I'll get to that eventually haha.

and nah I'm not planning on animating these, they're just to see my progress over 1 year really. That and I'm still horrible at animating unless it's something relatively small. I'll have to start practicing that more
« Last Edit: December 01, 2008, 12:39:06 am by 1up »

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Re: [wip] Man they would really make a horrible team of heroes

Reply #17 on: December 01, 2008, 02:43:08 pm
These are great, and a fantastic improvement in just a year! One comment I have is that all your characters except the big hobo dude are teetering forward slightly off balance. It's not as bad as the 2007 versions but still just enough to make the poses uncomfortable/unsettling. Sometimes this effect can be used to your advantage but for a static idle pose it may not be best. Ways to avoid this include drawing a line down the center of the character to check the balance, and occasionally flipping your characters horizontally since your eyes tend to skew things in one direction.
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Re: [wip] Man they would really make a horrible team of heroes

Reply #18 on: December 01, 2008, 03:21:04 pm
I don't have much to say that hasn't already been said, but i might as well post anyways.

I have to say, EXCELLENT progress for a year. I'm only a little better then the 07 ones right now. xD
Ben2theEdge's comment about balance is good, it's one of the first things i noticed about these. Also, on the hat-man, you totally stole my idea. I think, to restore balance, or even if not, it would look better if you did this:
   --Mainly lightsource fixes and legs change. I also messed w/ the shading on the hat.
And you WILL name him Jackten. >.>
And for the fat hobo guy, I'm having a little bit of a problem with his left hand. I looks off, I can't put my finger on it at the moment.

Still, very nice work. I would love to see these in a game, and my favorite may have to be the second one from the left. Nice work!
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Re: [wip] Man they would really make a horrible team of heroes

Reply #19 on: December 01, 2008, 03:41:36 pm
While fixing balance may help for future use, I think the first one looks better off kilter, in the prominent S curve made by his legs, body, and hat. They all do, it's the style. And as stand alone pieces, it doesn't mean they have to react with an environment.

All in my opinion.  D:

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Re: [wip] Man they would really make a horrible team of heroes

Reply #20 on: December 01, 2008, 07:46:28 pm
These are great, and a fantastic improvement in just a year! One comment I have is that all your characters except the big hobo dude are teetering forward slightly off balance. It's not as bad as the 2007 versions but still just enough to make the poses uncomfortable/unsettling. Sometimes this effect can be used to your advantage but for a static idle pose it may not be best. Ways to avoid this include drawing a line down the center of the character to check the balance, and occasionally flipping your characters horizontally since your eyes tend to skew things in one direction.
Yeah, I'm planning on completely remaking the 2nd and fifth characters. I'll probably make a few changes to the first one to try and make them all balanced. Thanks for the comment though, never noticed they were off balance before
And you WILL name him Jackten. >.>
And for the fat hobo guy, I'm having a little bit of a problem with his left hand. I looks off, I can't put my finger on it at the moment.
Haha, no I actually gave the first 3 names when I first made them

Top

Beanie

Gorillaman(though he's more of a hobo man now  :crazy:)

THAT IS IMAGINATION AT ITS FINEST FOLKS!!!
and I'll go ahead and try messing with the hand a bit to see if I can fix it then

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Re: [wip] Man they would really make a horrible team of heroes

Reply #21 on: December 01, 2008, 08:10:32 pm
So.... did my edit help at all? :P

I like the name Top- still. You have to admit Jackten is good.
Oh, i figured out what's weird about the hand. His index finger is too square, and it looks like he's holding car keys. I would edit, but i looks like you've got it.
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Re: [wip] Man they would really make a horrible team of heroes

Reply #22 on: December 01, 2008, 09:12:43 pm
it helped with the hat yeah, though to be honest i'll probably end up just remaking him too  :D

finished the 4th guy and *tried* to fix the hand on the fat guy

edit: fixed some problems i noticed on the 4th guy. now to get back to not working on this at all for the next few hours B)
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Re: [wip] Man they would really make a horrible team of heroes

Reply #23 on: December 02, 2008, 01:54:45 pm


Rough edit on the hat of the first guy, because I don't really like the latest one.
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Re: [wip] Man they would really make a horrible team of heroes

Reply #24 on: December 02, 2008, 06:06:20 pm
I think you may have missed the color in the big guys eyes, unless you want him to have brock (pokémon) type eyes, or just dark eyes.
Up to you, I really like these mainly the second one and the big guys jacket.

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Re: [wip] Man they would really make a horrible team of heroes

Reply #25 on: December 02, 2008, 06:54:30 pm
Giving the big guy colour or white in his eyes, would entirely ruin his character, so please don't ><

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Re: [wip] Man they would really make a horrible team of heroes

Reply #26 on: December 02, 2008, 10:56:22 pm


I think something for the eyes would be good. Just looks like he's looking down without any hint of eye/eyelid there.

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Re: [wip] Man they would really make a horrible team of heroes

Reply #27 on: December 02, 2008, 11:17:25 pm
I think you may have missed the color in the big guys eyes, unless you want him to have brock (pokémon) type eyes, or just dark eyes.
Up to you, I really like these mainly the second one and the big guys jacket.
>unless you want him to have brock (pokémon) type eyes
bingo, those wer pretty much supposed to be giant eyebrows  :crazy:

and now for the post

re sketched the 1 and 5 but the 2nd one is being a bitch and I can't get a decent pose for him, so i'll just leave him out for awhile

still need to mess with  the shading on the top hat though

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Re: [wip] Man they would really make a horrible team of heroes

Reply #28 on: December 02, 2008, 11:53:49 pm
Coming along rather nicely. New pose for Top fits the character perfectly, i love it. Unlike some, i have no problem with the big guy's eyebrows, in fact, that was one of the nicer character touches. You're really good at capturing personality, which can be hard. I know i can't.

New poses rock- but the last one i have a bit of an issue with. Slowly they are all becoming brawlers, except for the first. Which is fine, but versatility is better in my opinion. If you want brawler style, go ahead- just make them all that way and stick with it. Top really stands out as original. For more differentness, (A non-word, i know) i would make the last somewhat more graceful or angelic. And maybe make the second sort of solid-snake esque? your choice, but really, these are all awesome.  :y: :D

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Re: [wip] Man they would really make a horrible team of heroes

Reply #29 on: December 03, 2008, 12:37:11 am
New poses rock- but the last one i have a bit of an issue with. Slowly they are all becoming brawlers, except for the first. Which is fine, but versatility is better in my opinion. If you want brawler style, go ahead- just make them all that way and stick with it. Top really stands out as original. For more differentness, (A non-word, i know) i would make the last somewhat more graceful or angelic
Yeah, to be honest I was kind of iffy when I first changed it to more of a fighter stance than before, but I like how this one turned out, and now I'm not sure I want to go back to the not-so-badass look that he had before :-X

more opinions would really help me and my inability to decide things

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Re: [wip] Man they would really make a horrible team of heroes

Reply #30 on: December 03, 2008, 03:35:22 am
Heres an edit on the energy dude, really only on the left hand. I'll explain later, right now I'm tired.  :ouch: When i look at your hands, they look kind of weak, just like little red things coming out of his fingers. If he has the power to do this stuff, he might as well look badass while he does it, right? try something more like this:

Some sort of energy orb from his hands make it look powerful.
nice progress!
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Re: [wip] Man they would really make a horrible team of heroes

Reply #31 on: December 04, 2008, 02:02:44 am
been slacking off on these lately


I don't really like that edit to be honest. The whole thing just makes him look too evil, I was aiming for him to be more like the hot headed hero who can't really back up anything he says
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Re: [wip] Man they would really make a horrible team of heroes

Reply #32 on: December 04, 2008, 02:24:46 pm
I really like the blonde brawler dude. However I think you've got some readability issues happening; the yellow and the fleshtones really stand out but the rest of him sort of blends together into a soupy mess. Part of it is that you're being kind of shy with your highlights and you're not really using light and shadow to communicate your forms - you're hinting at a light source but you're not taking advantage of it to communicate your idea.

Here's my take (it's sloppy, apologies)


I exposed his forearms as a solution to readability when his arms are overlapping his torso, because I think it reads much better. There are other solutions to make him read better but I didn't want to tamper with your design too much.
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Re: [wip] Man they would really make a horrible team of heroes

Reply #33 on: December 04, 2008, 03:09:31 pm
maybe it wouldn't hurt to stick the blonde dude's front elbow out more, so it makes a bump on his sillhouette.

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Re: [wip] Man they would really make a horrible team of heroes

Reply #34 on: December 04, 2008, 08:55:54 pm
tried fixing the tings mentioned with him


and then i started the hair and thought "aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah my color choices with yellow are awful how is it possible to be this awful" so i'm still messing with the hair palette B)

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Re: [wip] Man they would really make a horrible team of heroes

Reply #35 on: December 04, 2008, 10:19:26 pm
Really? i love the hair- it was the first thing i noticed. I love the semi-golden color you used. Maybe think about it a little before you change it. But, of course, thats just me. And just to remind you, everything you're doing is amazing, delicious and pixelriffic. :D

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Re: [wip] Man they would really make a horrible team of heroes

Reply #36 on: December 05, 2008, 01:00:43 am

messed with the hair a bit, fixed some other problems, and started on Top/made him tall as hell :crazy:

I've been considering just leaving the 2nd guy out too, but we'll see if I can get a decent pose for him at some point

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Re: [wip] Man they would really make a horrible team of heroes

Reply #37 on: December 05, 2008, 02:13:50 am
That pose looks extremely uncomfortable.
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Re: [wip] Man they would really make a horrible team of heroes

Reply #38 on: December 05, 2008, 02:15:21 am
You kept Top's mouth but completely changed his body language. It's sort of confusing, maybe something more confident rather than blank?

Edit: oops you did change it, then you changed it back. Happy medium? And his rolled sleeve might look better higher (above elbow) and/or tilted because right now it looks like it will fall down his arm!

Edit2: I disagree with I Am Uh, it gives him character and was the whole purpose of the cane. Why not ditch the cane and go back to the original pose if he'll just be standing?
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Re: [wip] Man they would really make a horrible team of heroes

Reply #39 on: December 05, 2008, 03:22:33 am
hi. I think your colors are a little on the dull side, so here's an edit  ::)



maybe overdone a little bit, but its to show that the colors don't have to be so neutral and uncontrasty.  :-*

also, all those square shaped highlights could be cut down a bit too.

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Re: [wip] Man they would really make a horrible team of heroes

Reply #40 on: December 05, 2008, 10:29:06 pm
Maybe not the pose but I think with those twigs for legs, he'd be extremely wobbly. And I think it's because you just don't want to bother doing them. With every body else having shaded legs he looks out of place.
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Re: [wip] Man they would really make a horrible team of heroes

Reply #41 on: December 06, 2008, 02:19:36 am
Maybe not the pose but I think with those twigs for legs, he'd be extremely wobbly. And I think it's because you just don't want to bother doing them. With every body else having shaded legs he looks out of place.

Well the other guys are wearing baggy pants, Top's wearing like drainpipe's (really tight pants) compared to energy guys feet/ankles it seems to fit the style. though your edit did look cool.

I dunno but energy guys mouth(?) looks more like it should be his chin, maybe it is but in that case I'd get rid of the skin tone on the right (our right) side of his face. If its his mouth it needs to be much shorter

Anyway, good stuff