Um, wow. Ok. So, kids, I need you all to settle down just a little bit. First of all, Xooxer, you ARE out of line. I might not go so far as to call you a douche, but, you know then I might. This is a critique board. What this means is when you post your work here, people will critique it. Sometimes people will spend a lot of their personal time providing guidance and advice for you. What this boils down to is what might appear to be a double standard; people posting about your work might be a little harsh, as it is a common belief here that the best medicine sometimes tastes the worst. However, folks posting edits to help you out are not exactly volunteering for the same treatment, do you get my drift? For example, Sharpm posted an edit that improved on many, many aspects of your original artwork, and your response was:
Eh, your edit looks like a flexing mulscled baby.
This is not a good way to respond to someone who is trying to help, and has provided you with a lot of valid guidance. It is condescending, and it is ungrateful. THEN, of all things, and this blows my mind to be honest, after your rude response to Sharpm, another member actually took the time to take all the positive aspects of Sharpm's edit and correct it to accomodate all of your complaints about it. Your response:
Eh, it doesn't really help...it barely resembles a human...
This is not just out of line, it's completely incorrect. I don't know what else to say. Two people taking time out of their day to help you out, and they get shot down and their efforts are insulted, IN SPITE OF the fact that they improve upon the original. This is condescending. This is ungrateful.
Sorry, but I don't feel like I need to take in every suggestion that some random person has and apply it to my art.
No? Why on EARTH did you say
C+C always welcome.
at the top of the thread then? Was it just to be polite? Thanks for wasting everyone's time!
I won't make my charcater look like a wimpy green alien
Insulting the people that tried to help you again! Not to mention being wrong again. You, sir, are on a role. This takes the cake though! These two quotes come from the VERY SAME POST:
If anyone here is being a douche, sir, it is you.
no soup for you.
Yeah. Adarias is the one being douche. And to top it all off, sharpm
makes another edit for you. Don't know why. Wish I could explain why our members are so nice. This one conforms to all of your complaints about previous edits - you don't want a light source, you don't want shading, you don't want correct anatomy, you don't want correct colors. And his edit is STILL helpful. However, YOUR next post is a four paragraph rant about somebody else trying to help you and how you don't NEED their help. Even though their help is ADVICE ON SIDE VIEWS. THE EXACT HELP YOU ASKED FOR. Now comes the bit that is going to get you banned:
Quit being so defensive. I'm not trying to bash you. I just would like someone to post something that sort of resembles an answer to my one and only question. I don't want to get into color counts, hue shifting or simplified poses. This is the pose I'm using, that's final. If you don't want to help with that, then don't expect me to reply with flowers and kisses.
A - You may have a point here, it's not really like our members to be so defensive. However, they are justified, because...
B - What? You called a member's edit a "wimpy green alien". So, yes, you are trying to bash lots of people.
C - If you've been paying attention, there have been 3 edits, 2 addressing lighting, perspective and volume issues (all of which MATTER regardless of POSE), 1 of the edits even includes an edited side pose (which you promptly ignored) and another poster referred you to a widely respected game that features dynamic and exciting side views. So if you want a post that resembles an answer to your "one and only question" open your eyes, son. There's been quite a few.
D - You don't want to get into color counts, hue shifting, or different poses? Then what, pray tell, are you doing here? Seriously?
E - Really, what do you think this forum is for? You asked for help, you got it and then some, and then you pissed on everyone. No one here expects flowers and kisses, but rampant douchebaggery may sometimes incite ire. Perhaps you've read the forum rules?
RULES Rule #1: Don't be an ass.
What makes this a really red-letter thread though, is the following 6 or so posts, where you and bengoshia bitch each other out. That is really top-class, professional behavior, and I hope to see more of that when you both return from your bans in a year.
And the cherry on top:
I've been doing this for quite some years now.
Well that just excuses everything. See you guys in 2009!
