Gargoyle

[miscdude]

Tis my...gargoyle...demon...thing
not sure if i want it to be organic or not so for now...its a gargoyle...

14 colors including transparency, C&C would be great ^_^

also
drumroll please;
a wip anim : D

[Rydin]

I donno, just a quick edit on the face.  Pulled the eyes down...kind of pulled out the chin...maybe too far.  The cheek bones still bother me.
I like how you got the texture of the wing. But it is kind of concerning how many colors you used--you could probably take out quite a few with out losing quality.
Also, you might want to look at the muscles and lighting :S

But it's cool.  Very trying of you. 

[miscdude]

Ill try and move the chin to a better position, thanks for pointing that out
i dont really like the eyes that far down, but ill see what i can do to make it look better placed
and as for the colors, i had it at 8 originally, but i like it alot more now because its smoother...thats just a preference fo mine, ive never liked jaggy/sharpness in pixels....but....ill compare them side by side to see how it looks...
oh yes, and ill try to see what i can do with the cheekbones

EDIT:
okay, messed with his chin, his cheek, his eyes, tweaked the nose a bunch, and lowered the head so the eyes looked a bit better...

i didnt really like it with the colors reduced, so ill just keep it as is for now.

[miscdude]

Sorry for the double post ^^;;; even though since i have an update its ok...

i reduced the colors, changed them around, messed with the face, extended the torso so his head isnt so big in comparrison, messed with the arms lighting, messed with the eyes, and made small adjustments in some other places.

[Faktablad]

I personally liked the other colors better because they gave him more of a stony (and therefore gargoyley) feel.  With the reddish skin he looks more like a demon or devil.

Nice work on the veiny textures on the wing.  Though you might want to keep an eye on the lightsource and how it would affect a flat surface such as the wing.  It seems to me like the shading should be more flat and with less contrast, unlike the very wide-ranged light-to-dark shading that you have now.  Just a consideration.

[AdamAtomic]

nice progress this thing is SCREAMING for a secondary lightsource though!  keep at it!

[miscdude]

well, i brought back the old colors;


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i messed with the wing to try and get it to look more..wing-ish, like faktablad was saying...but i dunno if i quite understood...
tweaked alot of random things, as usual...and
adam, I think it would look really good with a second lightsource...however....Ive never dabbled into secondary lightsources, to tell the truth, so until I add one onto this i think i want to experiment on some things itd be easier to apply a second lightsource to.
thanks for all your comments

[big brother]

I would suggest moving away from a single ramped monochromatic color scheme. If you look at real stone statuary, especially of the classical European type, you'll see a lot of variety in the hues.

Looking at a reference like this, I can see greens, yellows, and maybe some subtle lavender undertones.
http://www.wiesbaden-photos.com/wp-content/P1000490a.JPG

[Arachne]

I think it's a good start, but there's still a few things that look off.

His head is too short. He needs a bit more of a forehead. The head is also too big for his body.

His shoulder looks a bit odd, so I tried to change it a bit.

When you smile, your upper lip doesn't bend like that, but is more straight.

The nose shouldn't cast that much shadow on the face.

I also made the wing behind him seem like it's a bit more curved, and brightened the one in front.

[JJ Naas]

Nice and challenging piece.

I couldn't help feeling that the eyes are a bit too close to each other and that the curve of the mouth is slightly awkward.. so here's how I figured they should go:



I also added a deeper shadow under his brow.

EDIT: Oh damn, Arachne beat me to it.

[Jad]

I think Arachne's is a bit too bright and shiny, I like the dull surface of the original.

incidentally, I do like the eyes being close to each other as well :] It gives him a troll-like stupidity, making him look even wickeder (wicked can be used in comparative phrases. Now it can.)

So what I'll say is Go secondary subtle light-source!

and

Go hue shifting! Going from a blue-ish gray hue to a yellow/sand:y hue would look gorgeous on this one :]

Great job!

[miscdude]

Sorry it took  so long >>;;;
I havent had much freetime lately.
but i did it today, so...hurray!
OLD
NEW
i updated the pallete,
redid the face almost completely
used arachnes edit to fix some major flaws(shoulder, face, etc) and also added a bit by his ear like her edit had.
moved the eyes apart, even though i too like the troll look, i think this is more fitting..
and messed with some other things.
thanks all ^^ this has really improved, imo.

[comradvolk]

Hmm... the new one looks like some green heavy light is illuminating him.

Other than that, great work.

[miscdude]

its a palette inspired by big-brother's post, 'cause its an old statue, but maybe i went over-saturated with the green...ill edit with my new palette.

EDIT;
um...its already pretty saturation-low...could you explain a bit more what you mean?

[comradvolk]

Like...

The colors should be a bit darker. Unless this creature was standing in front of a green light, It should be darker.

[miscdude]

Like...

The colors should be a bit darker. Unless this creature was standing in front of a green light, It should be darker.

....its a gargoyle...but ill see about darkening it.
the palette was darkened alot from the original one i made anyways...so it might look better ,thanks ^^ ill edit in a minute or two when i adjust the colors


EDIT:
NEW
OLD
i like how the new one blends more...but the old one looks more statue like to me...what do you guys think? im terribly indecisive >>;;

[comradvolk]

The new one looks better,

I'm sorry, I didn't say that the old one looked transparent. Too transparent.

[miscdude]

UPDAATTE

i made the canvas bigger, as you can see. I made the wings completely visible, horizontally at least, and adjusted the lighting of the torso and arm

[pkmays]

I really think you should turn this into a full blown illustration. Add a background and some more shades to smooth out the blending on the gargoyle.

[miscdude]

if i were to go that route, he would probably stray from being a gargoyle, but i dont mind that.

red is my original concept, while blue is a different idea...blue gives him more of a demonic feel imo. any ideas of yours would be great ^_^

[pkmays]

I didn't mean a full body portrait, that's too epic an undertaking I think. I mean go back to the last image, or even the one with only one full wing, and add a background and really refine the thing. You could go all the way up to 32 colors to add some really smooth AA and color transitions if you wanted to.

[miscdude]

I didn't mean a full body portrait, that's too epic an undertaking I think. I mean go back to the last image, or even the one with only one full wing, and add a background and really refine the thing. You could go all the way up to 32 colors to add some really smooth AA and color transitions if you wanted to.

oh, hehe, my bad. ill see what i can do then, thanks.

[comradvolk]

Dude, don't quit on that full thing. It looks awesome.