[Help][Wip] Shading/Dithering ... (GUY) - now bird

[Genadinio]

Hi all..
I need some help here is my wiP:
(its my first try to shade normal....)
I know that there is a lot of good examples and tutorials.. i just triing to improvisade
What i am already done bad... Or where what should i change .
P.S. Leg was mirrored
p.S.S. Don forget its Wip and i am talking not about outline and aa... I need help with shading..

Thanks .
Genadinio, 

[OzBlueShoes]

Well, right off the bat your pillow shading. Simply, your adding highlights because you want them there, not because they are there. First, pick a light source, and shade away from that. You can also add an ambient light, so when it's actually at it's darkest it gets a bit lighter (usually blue). Also a note on pillow shading, it's sort of like a bulls-eye, you start with a color, then add a light color in that, and so on, and so on. Don't do this, as it is guaranteed to make your work look bad. If I really didn't explain it that good, check out some tutorials or something, I think Helm and Pep made one with some like cake eating ghost/robot. That one is great, if you can find it.

Also, a note on the legs, you can say it's mirrored, but that doesn't make it okay, if the tops not going to be mirrored, then the bottom should look different as well. As far as anatomy goes, he looks like he's got a bit of scoliosis.


I hope I really helped, and don't get discouraged. Practice, and work hard at it, and bet you could be as good as Helm and Moonson2D (etc...).

[Phlox]

When you shade you should probably do all of the shading before going back and dithering just so you can make sure it looks ok and you dont have to waste alll your time redithering over and over again.  And if you are going to pick a light  source for a picture where he is not in a scene (such as he is standing under a street light)you really don't want to  pick right above his head. You should remember that this is sopposed to look 3D or as real as possible so your light source can be any where not just to the left,right, top or bottom it can be in the top left or something. 

Also you said your not here to talk about outlines but you really should focus on the outlines before you try and shade and you shouldn't have a black outline unless your drawing something that is going to be cartoony. Plus his anatomy should be fixed to before shading.  For his anatomy his legs are a little low and his arms don't have elbows.  also his hands look like they are in his pants not his pockets and his back is disfigured like OZ said.  You should try and look up some things online about drawing human anatomy.

[Genadinio]

Ok thx all now update...
still dont know what to do with shoulders...
aded outline and tried to add AA ...

[OzBlueShoes]

If someone is going to take the time to reply to you request for C+C, then you could at least read it. You need to get the anatomy correct before you start shading. Also, if you listen to Phlox, he also said don't make the light source right above the character. Now, if you honestly are going to have the light above the guy, is it in front of him, or behind him, you seem to have it perfectly above him, but you have to take in account shadow thrown by the head. I suggest you take the advice, and go back to lineart, and start over.

I saw a quote by someone on here... I don't remember who but they said something to the effect of "a rough gem is worth more than polished garbage." Now your lines are not THAT bad, but you do gotta fix em' up buddy.

[Genadinio]

hmmm...
1.anatomy is good..
2.change light source? but .....  ok maybe i will change : thanx for help.. i think i will update tomorow ... any examples of works like mine with normal choosed lightsouce? i want to watch..




P.S. As ussually sorry for mistakes...

[OzBlueShoes]

You have two people telling you the anatomy is wrong, I suggest you stop being lazy, and fix it.

[Phlox]

Here is a thread on this site that could help your anatomy:

http://www.wayofthepixel.net/pixelation/index.php?topic=3224.0

And here is a website that could really help:

http://pixelchallenge.com/index.php?id=4


Your should look at the section call human structure on that page 

Now get crack'n

[Genadinio]

This character maked from photo.... How can anatomy be wrong? 


Ok...Ok. i will make another one 



OK Update:
Lineart... Now anatomy good?

[Rox]

Not only is that better, but it's also a thousand times more interesting to look at. I'm curious, though, could you show us the reference photo you used for the first one? It's always good to show a reference if you've used one. That way people can compare the pic with the reference and point out what's wrong. Because there is seriously something odd about the first one you made.

[Genadinio]

Oki .. Thx.... I will start to colour now


About photos... first i found in internet : http://apple.qoody.ru/wp-content/uploads/2007/04/mac-vs-pc.jpg
And what i am woking on now its my old photo :     http://www.Crazystuff.net.ru/old.png ( resized)( photo is bad but i tink pose is nice ..                                       

[baccaman21]

I know you've said you didn't want help with the outline but with shading. But in order for it to be convincing you have to start off in the correct way.

I always say the best way to illustrate form (which is what shading is) is to understand the structure from the inside out.

To become adept at drawing figures you need to begin underneath and work out from there... i.e. skeleton > muscles > clothing.
I'm not suggesting you need to have a doctorate in anatomy, just an understanding, the more you do the better you get.

What I see here is obviously a trace from some other source which is fine and fair as a beginning way to create pictures but you won't learn fully how to construct form using this method and ultimately it will restrict and limit what you can create by copying from photo's or other peoples work.

This line art you have here is SURFACE form, what I'm seeing is clothing, there's an underlying structure for sure, but in order to push this on and create the shading you require you need to SEE the underlying form, more importantly understand it and how it relates to the way cloth hangs and so on on top of it.

The classic mistake in other words.

[Genadinio]

Thank you baccaman i am just a begginer  but I will work hard...



Small Update

Another Update ... Plz say what is alredy wrong
Updated again... Plz tell me what is wrong

[Genadinio]

Sorry for 2nd. post but.. people please help me i cant finish without help

[Helm]

Sorry for 2nd. post but.. people please help me i cant finish without help

You can start by not tracing outlines from photographs, but doing what baccaman suggests, working from the foundation.

[Genadinio]

I will not  trace outlines from photos when i will know how to shade normal 

[Feron]

I will not  trace outlines from photos when i will know how to shade normal 

Whats the point in knowing to how to shade "normal" if everything your gonna be shading looks badly formed and has shit anatomy?

START WITH THE BASICS DO NOT TRY AND RUN BEFORE YOU CAN WALK!

[JonathanOfDrain]

I will not  trace outlines from photos when i will know how to shade normal 

That's like saying you'll stop robbing banks once you're rich.

Anywhoot, personally my six-pack isn't so obvious through my shirts, maybe with those wet white t-shirts I store in ziplocs. I think you need to establish a light source, top left looks like a nice place to put the sun. I think for a tight t-shirt it's not very form fitting. His left arm (our right) should be separated from the body a bit more... or at least a bit.
Also the dithering it kind of unneeded right now. Just getting the lighting right should take priority, try just putting the colors up like you were on the awesome abs. OH! Is this supposed to be one of those space shirts that have abs painted on them?

START WITH THE BASICS DO NOT TRY AND RUN BEFORE YOU CAN WALK!

I'd take this advice, as a baby I often times tried running before I could walk. I have a nice scar on the back off my neck to prove it's bad to attempt running.

[Androk]

START WITH THE BASICS DO NOT TRY AND RUN BEFORE YOU CAN WALK!

I'd take this advice, as a baby I often times tried running before I could walk. I have a nice scar on the back off my neck to prove it's bad to attempt running.

I could climb before I could stand!

That being said, I know it's hard to believe but most of the time people on these forums do have your best interest in mind. When majority of them agree that you need to learn basic skeletal structures, muscle volume etc, chances are that's something you REALLY have to learn. On the bright side such learning can be easily accomplished by looking in the mirror, and seeing how different shapes are highlighted under different light, or by studying references etc. Google is your friend in this. You can also look at an abundunce of tutorials whichyou can find in tools and links thread on general forums, or by once again googling it.

[Phlox]

I posted two links above awhile ago in this thread but you seemed to have just skiped over them. i think both of them could help you a great deal.

Here is that link again: http://pixelchallenge.com/index.php?id=4

Now look at it. that website has alot of good tutorials also

(Feron is absolutly right dont try to run befor you can walk)

[Ben2theEdge]

you're starting with the dithering way too soon - use solid colors and get the shading right first. Then, and ONLY then, go in and sculpt out the details.

[Genadinio]

Finaly i have decidet to finish it ok this is my new wip and i wan to create it normal from start till finish :
I want to draw battle bird with armour :




Ok i will wait comments about line art and then will try to shade 

[Phlox]

This is more like a raptor 

birds have wings its pretty much the definition of a bird.  If the bird is gonna have hands make them like wing hands not like claw things. Also bird wings/arms go down and back not down and forward that is also one of the reasons that this looks like a raptor

maybe these bird hands (but maybe too cartoony)