AuthorTopic: Rock practice  (Read 7281 times)

Offline Aelyrin

  • 0001
  • *
  • Posts: 53
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile

Rock practice

on: July 30, 2007, 06:35:14 am
That's something I need a lot of.
Well, I need a lot of practice, period, but that's beside the point.
So, I just doodled up this rock quickly, then went over it and re-shaded it.
I just used boring greys. This isn't so much needing to learn about colours, I mostly just need to learn the shapes of rocks so that I'll know where to place the shades.

So I have here the original, one with solid lines, and one with shaded (highlighted, rather) lines.

Offline bengo

  • 0011
  • **
  • Posts: 599
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • https://pixeljoint.com/p/5787.htm
    • View Profile

Re: Rock practice

Reply #1 on: July 30, 2007, 06:45:11 am
This looks very uh...... flat, there was another topic similar to this, Helm did an edit of a rock, I can't remember where it is though, maybe Helm does, so hopefully Helm magically appears with that link. As for crits, as I said, it looks flat, go google some images of rocks and use those as reference and the colors, well, don't make them a TRUE gray, not even gray rocks are truly gray, try to give it a blue/purple tint(not too noticeable).

Edit: While not the right article, this is still a good example: http://www.wayofthepixel.net/pixelation/index.php?topic=1851.0

Edit 2: Found it: http://www.wayofthepixel.net/pixelation/index.php?topic=3994.0
« Last Edit: July 30, 2007, 06:53:44 am by bengoshia »

Offline Aelyrin

  • 0001
  • *
  • Posts: 53
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile

Re: Rock practice

Reply #2 on: July 30, 2007, 07:20:59 am

I made it red.
And tried to make it.. more.. bumpy.
Yeah, I have no idea what I'm doing.
And do you know just how hard it is to find anything on google? No? Maybe not... Maybe it's just me. I guess I look for things too specifically.


And hmm...
I dunno.. if I could even attempt something like that. ~A~;;
"Just try, dammit!"
But if I were to try, I'd probably end up copying that into paint, and then doing it pretty much pixel-for-pixel. I mean, copying it. Which is bad.
But anyways, I don't really have the time right now, maybe later today/tomorrow (it's 3a.m.).

Offline Aelyrin

  • 0001
  • *
  • Posts: 53
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile

Re: Rock practice

Reply #3 on: July 31, 2007, 06:08:41 am
Double post o: (sorry if that's bad :< )


So I attempted using that one as a bit of a reference (but keeping with my old one's shape so that I wouldn't copy >3>). I suppose I did okay. :\
The first one there is the last from my last post, then I have the new ones with different styles of line shading.
I'm not quite sure how to go about putting cracks and such in them, but at this point, I'd really just like to know if it/they at least look more like rocks. Albeit very smooth, shiny rocks. (No, I don't know how to use that word. I probably shouldn't use words I don't completely understand, as it make me look like more of an idiot than I already do, if that's even possible.)
Anyway... I'm not so sure about how the rocks are sitting on each other. :\ They look like they'll slide off any second.
But I'm totally new at this and have no idea what I'm doing.

Offline miscdude

  • 0010
  • *
  • Posts: 124
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile

Re: Rock practice

Reply #4 on: July 31, 2007, 06:31:35 am
the last one is the best IMO....
with these newer ones youve improved yor rocks, because rocks are more of a collection of pollygons ^^

Offline bengo

  • 0011
  • **
  • Posts: 599
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • https://pixeljoint.com/p/5787.htm
    • View Profile

Re: Rock practice

Reply #5 on: July 31, 2007, 06:36:34 am
Dithering tends to not really work well with this type of substance but you did pretty well, here's a quick edit:

I changed the colors, because by adding color I didn't mean some odd red...... I also did a rock without dithering showing the difference and stuffs, also yeah, don't double post, what I do is get a "bump buddy" and tell him to bump one of my topics and in return I bump one of his.
« Last Edit: July 31, 2007, 07:10:49 am by bengoshia »

Offline Rydin

  • 0011
  • **
  • Posts: 925
  • Karma: +0/-0
  • ...zzzt...
    • @thickDumps
    • View Profile
    • thickDumps

Re: Rock practice

Reply #6 on: July 31, 2007, 08:40:17 am
Heh, I'd say the newest version is quite an improvement over the old one. I think it really captures a rock look now. Why not go a bit further with cracks and rough spots here and there on the edges?  It's up to you I suppose--it's your rock.  The colors a rather boring, but I guess that all depends on what this is going to be used for; I'd personally up the contrast and shift hues a bit, but that's just me.  Good stuff.

Keep on pixelling, and thumbs up for practicing with a rock!  :lol: :y:
Man cannot remake himself without suffering for he is both the marble and the sculptor.

Offline Feron

  • 0100
  • ***
  • Posts: 1123
  • Karma: +0/-1
  • Carpe Diem
    • View Profile
    • Pixelheart

Re: Rock practice

Reply #7 on: July 31, 2007, 09:58:48 am
Dithering tends to not really work well with this type of substance but you did pretty well

wtf, if there was a substance i thought dithering was perfect for i would say "rocks".

nice pallette edit though.

Offline Opacus

  • 0011
  • **
  • Posts: 971
  • Karma: +0/-0
  • Entangled
    • View Profile
    • www.jimjansen.net

Re: Rock practice

Reply #8 on: July 31, 2007, 11:30:27 am
Dithering tends to not really work well with this type of substance but you did pretty well, here's a quick edit:

I changed the colors, because by adding color I didn't mean some odd red...... I also did a rock without dithering showing the difference and stuffs, also yeah, don't double post, what I do is get a "bump buddy" and tell him to bump one of my topics and in return I bump one of his.
I have to disagree entirelly on the dithering thing. Also, Ive never seen rocks shine like that. Usually they're alot duller imo. I like the colours though, even though they might not completely fit on the rocks.

Nice improvement by the way Aelyrin

Offline ndchristie

  • 0100
  • ***
  • Posts: 2426
  • Karma: +2/-0
    • View Profile

Re: Rock practice

Reply #9 on: July 31, 2007, 03:33:42 pm
Since your titling this roack practise, how did this form?  Did nature create globs of clay and then press them together?  Real rock formations occur for a variety of reasons, the most common being:

water - when completely submerged, rocks are worn to *appear* smooth, without edges, although this actually makes them rough textured, as the water removes the finer grains first.  A rock only partiallysubmerged will only be worn where the water passes, leading to interesting cuts and bevels.
     deposits - some rocks are formed by sediments beign depositied by water.  This is typically seen in the form of sand or bedrock, but stalactite and stalagmite formations in caves can be formed through a dripping process.

wind - like water, only less powerful and in the field.

splitting - under imense pressure, rocks can break off, often yeilding sharp, almost polished surfaces.

grinding - rocks may grind against each other, roughing themselves up quite a bit, and often splitting.

pressing - when forces bear down on rocks, they can be pressed very tightly together, forming rather impressive joins.  These usually are only exposed when the stone above is worn or split away.

fusing - seen below the earth, molten stone fuses with the materials around it.  This usually can be seen on cliff walls which have been worn away to reveal ancient volcanic activity in the region's bedrock.

Thinking about the forces involved will always lead to a finer product.
A mistake is a mistake.
The same mistake twice is a bad habit.
The same mistake three or more times is a motif.

Offline Aelyrin

  • 0001
  • *
  • Posts: 53
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile

Re: Rock practice

Reply #10 on: August 01, 2007, 12:47:36 am
It's too bad just telling me this stuff doesn't really do much. >: I don't know how these forces affect rocks, and I really don't know how to go about drawing them.
Same with cracks. .___. I can try, but I'm not guaranteeing it'll look at all right.
*opens paint*

editsu:

I edited the shading and tried adding a few cracks and textures. I didn't want to go overboard and ruin it, though.
I hope I did alright considering my (very) limited knowledge on rocks.
I used bengoshia's palette.
« Last Edit: August 01, 2007, 01:32:34 am by Aelyrin »

Offline ndchristie

  • 0100
  • ***
  • Posts: 2426
  • Karma: +2/-0
    • View Profile

Re: Rock practice

Reply #11 on: August 01, 2007, 01:40:27 am
a good exercise :

find yourself:
- large piece(s) of dried plaster of paris, to represent a sedimentary rock.
- hammer and chisel, to represent the creation of fissures
- vice, to hold in place or represent pressures
- sandpaper, to represent water

see what sort of forms are made and imagine them on a large scale.

Right now your rocks will never be believable because rocks simply do not pile and squeeze quite that way.
A mistake is a mistake.
The same mistake twice is a bad habit.
The same mistake three or more times is a motif.

Offline Aelyrin

  • 0001
  • *
  • Posts: 53
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile

Re: Rock practice

Reply #12 on: August 01, 2007, 01:49:07 am
Too bad that's impossible for me. >:

Offline bengo

  • 0011
  • **
  • Posts: 599
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • https://pixeljoint.com/p/5787.htm
    • View Profile

Re: Rock practice

Reply #13 on: August 01, 2007, 01:50:14 am
Whao whao, kid, you won't learn anything by copying my palette, make your own, you can look on how I did mine, but don't copy it and dude, just look on google images for some good images of rocks, stop making excuses.

Offline ndchristie

  • 0100
  • ***
  • Posts: 2426
  • Karma: +2/-0
    • View Profile

Re: Rock practice

Reply #14 on: August 02, 2007, 04:10:34 pm
As harshly worded as ben's post is, his advice is sound. 

Quote from: Myself
Quote from: Myself
here are some rock references :

http://www.pbase.com/iof/image/38388982.jpg - Australia
http://www.rsiphotos.com/images/photos/Landscapes_11.jpg i a particularly beautiful stone face in the northwestern US
http://shot2focus.com/db4/00337/shot2focus.com/_uimages/Rockface.jpg - another from the same region
http://www.cambridge2000.com/gallery/images/P22211286e.jpg - France
http://lakdiva.org/sakwala/sc_site04.jpg - Sri Lanka.  I like this mostly for the ancient carving, see how it is literally a single piece of stone?
http://mayacaves.org/files/images/chisecface.preview.jpg - not sure where it is from (mexico?) , but i really like it
http://www.me.berkeley.edu/~dcoatta/Summer2004/JoshuaTree/Fullsize/JoshuaTree-RockclimbingDan.jpg - California, US
http://www.mongabay.com/images/peru/cuzco/Train_1018_0929.JPG - Peru
http://nightglow.gsfc.nasa.gov/eric_journal_files/serpentine_gorge.jpg - Australia
http://www.donporter.net/Cuernavaca/SaltoSanAnton/RockFace.jpg - Mexico

As before, there's little point in continuing something if you refuse to learn about it.
A mistake is a mistake.
The same mistake twice is a bad habit.
The same mistake three or more times is a motif.

Offline Aelyrin

  • 0001
  • *
  • Posts: 53
  • Karma: +0/-0
    • View Profile

Re: Rock practice

Reply #15 on: August 02, 2007, 11:43:14 pm
Originally, though, I was trying to go for a stalagmite kind of rock, but then I was told "No! Rocks look like this!", so I tried that.
The thing is, though, it's not that I refuse to learn, it's that I -don't learn. I -can't- learn. I try and try, but never get anything. *sigh*
m(_ _)m But thanks. I'll try again sometime.
I guess I'm the only one Google hates. Everyone else seems to be able to find stuff with it, but not me. :\ Oh wells.
But those pictures you provided are pretty. o: I guess I'll see about using them for references or something.

Offline AdamAtomic

  • 0100
  • ***
  • Posts: 1188
  • Karma: +0/-0
  • natural born medic
    • View Profile
    • Adam Atomic

Re: Rock practice

Reply #16 on: August 03, 2007, 01:03:42 am
This is a typical whiny teenager attitude, and if you want to be taken seriously anywhere, but especially here, then you're going to have to change it.  Why would you take advice about how rocks look from someone if they're wrong?  Is it because you couldn't find any pictures of rocks?  Here is a surefire way to find pictures of rocks on google:

1 - go to google.com
2 - click on images button to do an image search
3 - type the word "rocks"
4 - press "search"
5 - view the tens of thousands of images of rocks that google just gave you

You've got a very good start on your rocks, and really in pixel art in general; better than when i started, that's for sure.  But the easiest, fastest way to waste a good start is to ignore great advice, and make bullshit claims about "oh i can't do this, i can't use google, i can't find rocks."  Grow up a little bit, and if YOU can't figure out how to find some friggin rocks on GOOGLE of all places, then grab your sketchpad and pencil and go outdoors to draw some REAL LIFE rocks.  There are lots of ways to LEARN - the only way to not learn is to not try.