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Re: Official Off-Topic Thread

Reply #300 on: July 05, 2007, 09:36:20 am
http://uk.media.tv.ign.com/media/945/945821/img_4653798.html
I don't know what to think... I don't know what to say...

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Re: Official Off-Topic Thread

Reply #301 on: July 05, 2007, 02:06:29 pm
ah jesus christ

if you're not bruce timm...you should never ever try to draw like bruce timm.  ever.  I hate that people think that the key to B:TAS's success was the animation style, rather than the high quality writing, acting, music, and overall production values contributing to an original sense of atmosphere and quality.

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Re: Official Off-Topic Thread

Reply #302 on: July 05, 2007, 02:08:37 pm
Saw the movie yesterday and i've been seeing transformers everywhere... it's like all the cars around are just about to transform.
The movie was made of robots, battle and awesome. Autobots were funky (especially jazz) and the decepticons were quite sceary.
Also it had so many little things happening in the backround that i just have to see the movie again if i could spot some more. I think starscream took a shot at megatron's back, but i'm not completely sure. Anyway, not gonna rant more to avoid spoiling it to anyone.

http://uk.media.tv.ign.com/media/945/945821/img_4653798.html
I don't know what to think... I don't know what to say...

Hehe, it has "cartoon network" written all over it. Looks kinda nice imo, but it's probably aimed at 10 year olds that usually watch the channel. Gonna check it out anyway, cause you never know. They made that batman cartoon in a similar style and first i was like ehhhhh, but it was actually allright.

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Re: Official Off-Topic Thread

Reply #303 on: July 05, 2007, 02:46:09 pm
I saw it too, I was pretty disappointed.  Well, not disappointed, as I didn't go in with any actual expectations, just unsatisfied I guess.  To me, there are really only 2 absolutes in the Transformers universe:

1 - Starscream will actively attempt to usurp the Decepticon throne
2 - Prime is the baddest motherf*cker on the planet, and likely in the galaxy

In the new movie, Prime was a total pussy who got his ass handed to him by Megatron (who was inexpicably like 20 feet taller than all the other transformers??), and Starscream lacked personality.  Of course, ALL the characters in the movie lacked personality.  They were plot devices, not people.  The plot, even just sticking to the story laid out by the film, makes NO f*cking sense whatsoever.  At 2.5 hours, we don't get to see prime for the first hour, and Megatron is not even mentioned in the first 90 minutes.  And this is a TRANSFORMERS movie???  Exactly WHO are they introducing these characters to?  Is there somebody out there going to see this movie that DOESN'T remember Optimus Prime?  I mean come on!  On top of that, and this doesn't really qualify as a spoiler, the final battle scene takes place in a cramped, crowded city.  That's right - characters who can, at will, transform into flying and driving vehicles duke it out in a civilian population center, and in like a 2 block radius at that.  I don't care who you are or how many paint chips you ate as a kid, that is just retarded.

On the upside, both Prime and Starscream do get one decent action scene.  But it adds up to maybe 4 minutes worth of screen time, out of two and a half hours worth.  If you have any attachment to the transformers personalities or characters from the original show and series I really doubt you will like this new movie.  If you want to see robots punching each other in the face, and some teen booby action, well, this movie DOES have that.  But even then, it feels more like Gears of War meets The OC rather than Transformers...

I guess my issue with the movie is this.  They could have gone two different routes with it and made a VERY good movie.  The first would be chunky, classic robot designs, a tongue-in-cheek attitude, basically all-out fan-service.  Jump right into the action, no dicking around with some marines in the desert etc.  The second approach would be to put a lot of effort into approaching a realistic premise with some amount of logic and planning; engender a fear of complex technology in the viewer, get some real themes going on there, and make at least a minimal effort to provide a cohesive or sensible plot.  Unfortunately, Michael Bay took the middle road, which resulted in kind of annoying bot designs, flat characters, and the biggest plot hole I've ever seen in any movie ever :P

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Re: Official Off-Topic Thread

Reply #304 on: July 05, 2007, 03:01:39 pm
judging by the amount of ranting about stuff you like and don't like I think you need a blog :P

Heh, yeah right. I don't rant THAT much. Oh, well, okay, I do. But usually I tend to only rant if I get a meaningful response. Usually a rant from me derives from, or will spark some sort of interesting discussion. That wouldn't happen with a blog. Besides, no one would read it anyway. I'm not ranting now, either, I just wanna know if there's an easy fix to these problems I'd like fixed. Apparently, there's not.

On a completely unrelated note, I'm rapidly closing in on the 200 hour mark on Oblivion. That game seriously just keeps on giving. And I've still only gotten to the top of one of the guilds, and just now started with the Fighters guild. So I've got quite a few hours to go, still.

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Re: Official Off-Topic Thread

Reply #305 on: July 05, 2007, 03:22:45 pm
Quote from: Rox
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To be honest, I hate all the changes they've made with tabs as well, and agree with every point you made.

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Re: Official Off-Topic Thread

Reply #306 on: July 05, 2007, 03:25:44 pm
In a movie that introduces that many new characters in the same time, i was kinda surprised. I really liked jazz and bumblebee who reminded me a lot of the old ones. Starscream had little screen time, but did manage to go at megs. Also prime pretty much pwned some of the decepticons without any real effort. And yeah, the movie is also supposed to appeal to people who have no idea what the transformers are. I think it would be suicide to limit your audience to transfans only, since the fanbase could have been really small, though it wasn't, which was quite a shock here since i thought i was pretty much alone with my transfaggotry. As for the story... it was so straightforward that i don't get how it could not make sense  :hehe:   Aaand the final battle in the city, i think there was A LOT of action that was all thanks to the setting. The guys were transforming here and there, using the stuff around for cover or as weapons. But i still agree that the moving to city part was forced and probably mostly due to trying keep down production costs.

I don't think even by watching the original series for two and a half hours you would get an idea of all of their personalities. You only have so much time and with that kind of a cast you simply have to sacrifice something. That said, the ending seems to set up for giving more character in the sequel, in case you watched the clips during ending credits. Kinda hints who's going to be the main man in the possible next movie.

Finally, i really try to get into new things from a fresh table to see things in their own self contained worlds rather than going oooo bay you mufukka destroy my childhood cause megs doesn't transform into a walther P38.  :lol: That's why i like a lot of things... hatin' is not fun

Still i do understand where you're coming from Atomic, and i kinda could agree with your points, but i kinda don't mind at all :P
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Re: Official Off-Topic Thread

Reply #307 on: July 05, 2007, 04:43:44 pm
This could be construed as a spoiler in some way I guess, so i'm gonna try doing it in this weird light color to see if that helps :P

The plot was soooooo preposterous, even by the movie's own standards.  The plot as I understood it is basically this: Megatron's plan was to use the All Spark to convert Earth's technology into an army of his own.  Which sounds, in the movie's world, very reasonable.  However, Megatron crashed into the arctic circle approx. two thousand years ago, according to the movie.  When there wasn't any human technology to speak of.  Also, by the movie's own plot and admission, ALL of the human technology that Megatron intended to convert into an army, was invented based on the technology they discovered by studying MEGATRON.  All of a sudden you have a major chicken-and-egg issue here.  The tech that Megatron wants to convert was only invented AFTER he arrived on earth in search of the All Spark, and it was ONLY invented after HE himself had been discovered.  So did he intentionally crashland into the frozen wastelands of the arctic in order to set this whole unlikely series of events into action?

It's just retarded to me.  I'd be perfectly willing to let it slide if it wasn't just one of the many cheap things about the film though.

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Re: Official Off-Topic Thread

Reply #308 on: July 05, 2007, 04:57:48 pm
SPOILARZ
Megatron was just searching for the allspark, nothing else, and now since the earth is filled with tech he WOULD use it to construct an army if he did get his hands on the allspark. I mean i would do that if i was megatron and had the allspark, so that would be the reasonable thing for prime to assume. .
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Haha, wasn't that weird afterall now was it?

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Re: Official Off-Topic Thread

Reply #309 on: July 05, 2007, 10:32:34 pm
I don't understand why the all spark can only create decepticons

any thoughts on the commercialism and advertising through the movie? I've heard 'bad bad bad' but it didn't bother me.

for the record, i liked the movie, but i've only ever been attached to the 'beasties' show, and known very little about the traditional transformers. .