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Re: KON'S FINAL REDEMPTION SITE GOES ACCOUNT-BASED, ASKS FOR MONEY

Reply #30 on: February 17, 2007, 07:40:14 am
How about another topic - having people critique a site's layout and distribution techniques without the creator having posted it here himself? Helm linking to Alex's site and asking for opinions on it isn't much different than me grabbing an image from someone's directory and dropping it onto Pixelation for comments without their approval. Just one more reason I think this whole thread is uncalled for, I guess.

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Re: KON'S FINAL REDEMPTION SITE GOES ACCOUNT-BASED, ASKS FOR MONEY

Reply #31 on: February 17, 2007, 10:57:06 am
How about another topic - having people critique a site's layout and distribution techniques without the creator having posted it here himself? Helm linking to Alex's site and asking for opinions on it isn't much different than me grabbing an image from someone's directory and dropping it onto Pixelation for comments without their approval. Just one more reason I think this whole thread is uncalled for, I guess.

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Re: KON'S FINAL REDEMPTION SITE GOES ACCOUNT-BASED, ASKS FOR MONEY

Reply #32 on: February 17, 2007, 07:37:57 pm
I, like many others can't be bothered to sign up.  Even if you were the greatest artist in the world i wouldnt bother.  You are just going to lose visitors.

Why would anyone want to pay to see a video tutorial when they can come here and see the for free?

I agree with that it conflicts with the morals of free learning on this board, but helm, i expected more from you.  This thread seems more of a personal issue - and perhaps a very unneccesary one.  Alex can do as he pleases - if he created a site under a different URL and no-one knew it was him - there would be no issue.  I don't see how his moderator status should affect his personal business.

I don't see many people paying for your services alex.  Also i see many floors with your site,  text overlapping, un-alignment etc...  If you were going for a business/money orientated site you picked a very bad layout.  Too confusing. 

I used to enjoy your old layout, and browsing your art.  Now - it's too much of a chore.
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Re: KON'S FINAL REDEMPTION SITE GOES ACCOUNT-BASED, ASKS FOR MONEY

Reply #33 on: February 18, 2007, 02:52:12 am
I also agree, I think you're actually losing a certain spectrum of visitors with that kind of concept. I for one certainly wouldn't sign up, just to browse the free pictures.

I do however not see a conflict with the free content here and the paid content on his website, that's Alex' personal business and has nothing to do with him being a moderator here imo.
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Re: KON'S FINAL REDEMPTION SITE GOES ACCOUNT-BASED, ASKS FOR MONEY

Reply #34 on: February 18, 2007, 02:13:31 pm
Normally I'd stay out of a conversation like this, but I have to say that I agree fully with Adam and, like him, feel that this whole topic is a bit uncalled for and inappropriate. This is a personal choice on Alex's part, and as far as I know he asked for no criticism on his site or his methods. Also, as far as I can tell all of the content on the site in question is 100% original, created by Alex, and as such he has the full right to do with it whatever he pleases. Helm, I think a quote from your original post sums it up pretty well:

Obviously, running a website takes money, and a webmaster is free to ask for compensation on any thing for his site, and whomever is willing to pay for it, that's their choice. Nobody should be able to make them stop. In the end, if there's a demand, people will pay, if there's no demand, Kon will likely remove the service.

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Also do you think your stuff is really that great to warrant someone paying money to see it? Just a thought..

I think this statement is a bit off base, too. Couldn't it be asked of anyone who works professionally, who charges a wage for their work? The only difference here is that Alex created his work first, and then attempted to sell it. Not all artwork that is sold is commissioned. Many people just like to buy paintings, or, in this case, pixels. Asking if he "really thinks he's so great" is a bit insulting, too, as it, in my mind, implies that he's arrogant or egotistical. Is every artist attempting to sell their work an egomaniac, then? Apologies if I've misinterpreted your meaning, but this is how it came off to me.

Finally, and maybe most importantly, in regards to the question of a "conflict of interest": has one arisen? Has there been any change or decline in the quality of Alex's moderation or contribution to this site (outside the realm of, say, perhaps having been a bit busy designing his new site, of course)? I don't know, of course, but if there hasn't, then I'd argue that this is a non-issue.

Apologies, again, if I've misinterpreted or misconstrued anyone's words.

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Re: KON'S FINAL REDEMPTION SITE GOES ACCOUNT-BASED, ASKS FOR MONEY

Reply #35 on: February 19, 2007, 12:06:10 am
About his stuff being that great: Alex is a good pixelartist and sure as hell deserves money for his work if he works on a game or whatever, but I really don't think anyone here is good enough to offer stuff like videos of themselves pixelling for money, I highly doubt that any of the videos will teach the persons paying for them anything they can not learn for free here, just as quick. And that the thing i find odd about this to be honest, who is the target audience. It's his fans I am guessing (who else), but most people here (as someone esle already stated) are not even old enough to have a creditcard or paypal. But then again that is just my opinion.
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Re: KON'S FINAL REDEMPTION SITE GOES ACCOUNT-BASED, ASKS FOR MONEY

Reply #36 on: February 19, 2007, 01:30:26 am
most people here (as someone esle already stated) are not even old enough to have a creditcard or paypal. But then again that is just my opinion.

Is that really true? I thought the userbase for Pixelation was mostly 18-25ish with a decent chunk of nearly-18-year-olds.
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Re: KON'S FINAL REDEMPTION SITE GOES ACCOUNT-BASED, ASKS FOR MONEY

Reply #37 on: February 19, 2007, 01:39:57 am
Heh, yeh indeed, stroke that one out. It's getting late here. Still leaves the questions if anyone will actually sign up. Even tho it's cheap (5$ a month) I don' see the value for money atm. Anyway, good luck, I guess.
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Re: KON'S FINAL REDEMPTION SITE GOES ACCOUNT-BASED, ASKS FOR MONEY

Reply #38 on: February 19, 2007, 03:44:15 am
my opinion:

Helm, this is the 3rd time there has been a ruckus over Alex's moderation position for virtually unrelated matters (and I'm saying this based off of the majority's opinions on this as well as my own).  And it would almost appear that there is a constant search for reasons to question Alex's said position.  Not only do I not see the connection you are trying to make here between this and his own personal website, but I'm also in disagreement with the public discussion about the matter.  The discussion is fine when it comes to people's opinions about his website alone, but it isn't so when you are asking to publicly question his moderating position because of it.  These are things that we most certainly do behind the scenes.  You've given your reasoning for this, but again, it makes little sense to me.  It was you who mentioned in an earlier dispute that any qualms between moderators should not be handled publicly, and I agreed with that statement.  It will render the Moderating team as dysfunctional to the forum members.  This was inappropriate.

I as well am not a fan of paying for a membership, but I can imagine those that *would* find value in such.    He has the right to sell video tutorials from his website just as much as we all have a right to sell our pixel-art services to any one else whether it be commercial games, or what have you.  As for Ptoing's comment about not being 'good enough' to sell such videos - I'd leave that opinion to the buyer.  If this were the case, none of us would have a job in the pixel art market. 

If there is to be more discussion on the subject of Kon's moderating position here, I suggest we take that where it should be.  As for the discussions of his new site in general, that of course should be continued.  However, I too (like Sals) suggest that the creator of the website make a new thread for such and this one be locked.
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Re: KON'S FINAL REDEMPTION SITE GOES ACCOUNT-BASED, ASKS FOR MONEY

Reply #39 on: February 19, 2007, 05:08:27 pm
Helm's just a bitter buttercup.


As for the site... ya, the porn thing.