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Can your parents draw and how is your eyesight?

Bad eyesight and parents who can draw
Bad eyesight and parents who can't draw
Good eyesight and parents who can draw
Good eyesight and parents who can't draw

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Re: Can your parents draw and how is your eyesight?

Reply #30 on: December 22, 2006, 08:09:37 am
18/20

My mom was a photographer.
My dad's art is more appropriate for pictionary then on a canvas.  :P

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Re: Can your parents draw and how is your eyesight?

Reply #31 on: December 22, 2006, 08:22:16 am
bad/20

My dad can draw, my mom can't (that I know of, at least).
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Re: Can your parents draw and how is your eyesight?

Reply #32 on: December 22, 2006, 09:26:33 am
Alright, I did some analysis with the data when there was 49 votes. Thankyou everyone for voting. Lets see if we can make some interesting conclusions.

First of all we test whether there is a relationship between (you or your spouse) having artistic ability and your children having bad eyesight. This seems like a silly thing to test but thats unfortunately the best thing the poll can test. So if you've had to do statistics you might know
what I'm talking about in the following paragraph (or be able to point out errors) but if not skip it!

So i made a two by two matrix and let A be that someone's parents could draw and B be that their eyesight is good. The probablilty of
A was estimated as 27/49 and for B 28/49. Then a table was constucted for the expected values. Then U^2 was calculated (corrected
for continuity ) to be 0.148. Then P=chiinv(0.148)=0.700>0.05, so we accept Ho. Ho was the hypothesis that A and B were independent.


So being good at drawing doesn't affect the chance that you're children will have bad eyesight.

Something that I really wanted to test though was whether having bad eyesight increased your chance of being 'good' at drawing.
What we really need is to grab 1000 people at random, run two tests, first to determine whether they can draw 'good', and second
if their eyesight is 'bad', and then do the above analysis. We can't do that so i found on a website somewhere that 1 in 14 poeple have
bad eyesight. Using that figure we can do a test.

We let X be the number of people with bad eysight and test the hypothesis that the sample comes from a population which a probability
1/14 of having someone with bad eysight. So we found x=21, X=Bi(49,1/14), P=Pr(X>/21)=4.6*10^-12<0.05. So we reject Ho.


Awesome. We would've expected 3.5 people in our sample of 49 to have bad eyesight. But it was a whopping 21 people. The above
analysis leads us to reject the idea that this sample of people is just like the normal world population. So, next time you bump into a
signpost, can't read a book properly, have a headache becuase your evil optometrist gave you an incorrect perscription, just think
"if i had good eyesight, i probably couldn't draw".


I think it makes sense because if you can't see properly, your brain has to guess at what its looking at, and this extra 'work' you do somehow has spillover effects on your ability to draw things. What do you guys think? Has anyone read of some real studies looking
into this?

« Last Edit: December 22, 2006, 08:28:06 pm by sharprm »
Modern artists are told that they must create something totally original-or risk being called "derivative".They've been indoctrinated with the concept that bad=good.The effect is always the same: Meaningless primitivism
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Re: Can your parents draw and how is your eyesight?

Reply #33 on: December 22, 2006, 09:34:15 am
I don't wear glasses or anything, but I'm apparently a little colour blind
and my dad used to be an architect and can still draw pretty good, my mother however just doodles like any other person every so often
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Re: Can your parents draw and how is your eyesight?

Reply #34 on: December 22, 2006, 09:39:43 am
Short sighted but not enough for me to be bothered to wear glasses.
I have one math/science parent and the other is english/history, neather can draw (though my grandmother painted). i still turned out art though.



« Last Edit: December 22, 2006, 10:46:31 am by Meta|Fox »

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Re: Can your parents draw and how is your eyesight?

Reply #35 on: December 22, 2006, 10:01:55 am
well i guess" bad" eyesight makes everything less sharp, making you able to focus on the overall shapes of things rather than details which is important in drawing.

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Re: Can your parents draw and how is your eyesight?

Reply #36 on: December 22, 2006, 02:49:07 pm
I dunno, till i was about 13 my eyesight was perfect. Perhaps it got worse from being on the computer or drawing with my face to the paper in dark rooms all the time.. Interesting stuff though.

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Re: Can your parents draw and how is your eyesight?

Reply #37 on: December 22, 2006, 07:12:43 pm
Eyes used to be freakishly good, I miss that. I now wear glasses all the time, they're supposed to be just for close work, but if I don't wear them I get headaches and every thing's slightly blurry, have done since I was about 16-17.

Mum can draw above average I suppose, took GCSE art, Dad can't even draw stick figures. As for the rest of the family, as far as I know, only 1 of my uncles is artistic, everyone else can barely draw a smiley face.
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Re: Can your parents draw and how is your eyesight?

Reply #38 on: December 22, 2006, 08:09:54 pm
Never had problems with my eyes, at least I don't need glasses. My parents both can draw and paint, my dad's got a couple of pics on the  web as well :)
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Re: Can your parents draw and how is your eyesight?

Reply #39 on: December 23, 2006, 03:01:38 pm
I wish I didn't have to group both my parents together.  My dad can draw, but my mom can't.  I do have bad eyesight, though.