Hmm, i think there must be variation in this.
Of course there is. But this is akin to the old 'I ment it to be like that, I didn't make a mistake!' rollback stance when someone gets critique. That arm, according to most idealized anatomy guides, is long. When someone told you, you said that you weren't paying attention because this is a costume illo, which we both know is not a good practise anyway. But then you went and defended that there are people with longish arms, and therefore this is fine. Well you can draw whatever you like even if it doesn't exist in real life and it'll be fine. It's only in relation to the idealised anatomy guide that this is wrong, and the unsaid premise is that you have not yet mastered drawing from the idealised anatomy guide and therefore would do well to manage this before you break out the long-arm variations. You may have an anatomical fault, the tendency to draw humans with longer arms than ideal, and you should pay attention to this rather than justify it thinly (even if thin is thick).
Add in the slope of the shoulders and the arm is a fine length.
The slope of the shoulder and some minute foreshortening due to perspective would help yes, but still too long as far as I can tell!
As far as my point goes, you are working from estimation and speculation, where I am working from measurements, which only proves my point that it looks broken when it's not.
One could work from the measurements of a dwarf, but if they didn't intend to draw a dwarf, or if people didn't understand they were drawing a dwarf but a human instead and found the anatomy odd, would there be a similar issue? When you drew this, you weren't working from measurements, you were working without any. After the fact, you now present that your arms are indeed that long (okay) but that doesn't change that this picture wasn't introduced within any context of having been drawn to mirror your physique or any extraordinary physique for that matter. Even for skinny fashion models, that arm is long!
Use proper measurements to show it's not correct and I'll change my opinion
Proper measurements of a human being you mean? alright
Note that as I said, I have long arms.
but just stating things that aren't true about all wrists doesn't convince of anything
Do you need convincing that the customary ideal human anatomy grid places hands? Okay. This is on my wall:
(note that this is not even a relaxed position of the arm. This is full extend, both of the upper arm and the fingers.
(are you measuring from the end of the genitals and not the actual crotch? certainly those are lower, but this girl has no penis).
W...what? Then these girls I've been with were...
uh
um.
I'm measuring from the end of the crotch, regardless of package.
My wrist hangs at this level, therefor a wrist can possibly hang at this level.
Your wrist hangs at that level, therefor all wrists must hang at that level.
Which sounds more accurate?
Correction:
Your wrists measures thusly.
Ideal anatomy wrists usually measure thusly.
Without pretext, you present an image that measures as your wrists measure (take a relaxed arms stance photo by the way)
and then you are surprised when people complain that it doesn't measure like ideal wrists measure.
Another great example I must come back to - look at that recent one you did with the head that is just too narrow (or too tall for itself, but it's the same sort of thing)
You are not taking into account lens distortion, perspective foreshortening and most of all, the pulled hair that on both of the RL pics obstruct the real shape of the face. I have a
long face.
This is the same phenomenon played in reverse, the eye wants it to be right but it's broken. And you made a great point, it's your own face, so you should know how it ought to look! I'm realizing here that vision and art are just plain silly this way and it's damnably hard to correct for it.
But even-so, you've not established that you were drawing yourself here (whereas I clearly was). You were drawing a thin man-girl for a video-game. It's good to keep your premises consistent.
Just to be safe, i wish to restate that I think the arm look bad and always have since scanning. My point isn't that people should draw arms this way, it's that perception is highly varied and not always correct.
I am fine with this point, as long as you're fine with the point that this arm is overlong in relation to the idealized construction of the human body. Or if you're not we can discuss that more, but these are two separate issues. Anyway, Helm out.
edit: for what it's worth, the biggest mistake in that sketch isn't the length of the arm but the placement of the knee
