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Re: NEW CLUSTER STUDY THREAD!

Reply #100 on: January 22, 2014, 03:30:02 am
I don't have a lot of pixel paintings lying around but I have my internet face....



What did I learn from this....

I noticed that an art style will look more pulled together if AA is made up of clusters, just like everything else. Mixing single pixels and clusters is now gonna start to look more sloppy.

Interesting.... I'll see what happens if I start going cluster nazi in future pixel paintings.  :crazy:

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Re: NEW CLUSTER STUDY THREAD!

Reply #101 on: January 23, 2014, 11:28:38 am


Applied the technique by completely starting over, it helped to cut down on that single-pixel noise the original had but I think it falls pretty far short in terms of AA and other subpixel stuff.

E; forgot to mention I cheated with those 4 pixels in the eyes
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Re: NEW CLUSTER STUDY THREAD!

Reply #102 on: January 23, 2014, 02:23:16 pm
I have been playing around with this a bit on some of my older images, nothing really to show, but I came to the following conclusions.

  • It is pointless to do this in an image which has AA, because you totally kill diagonal AA and hamper the potential of AA in general, which in a lot of cases actually changes the shape of the curve you might wanna portrait.
  • If you aim to make art without any AA, I still do not see how the no single pixels/no single pixel lines (esp this) helps your image.
  • It largely seems to come down to personal aethetic preferences if you like this or not. I personally don't (the no-single-pixel at-all-and-weird-fat-outlines paradigm)
  • Everyone should just try and pixel as clean or as messy as they want.
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Re: NEW CLUSTER STUDY THREAD!

Reply #103 on: January 23, 2014, 10:36:55 pm
Been lurking in this thread for a while, thought I'd join in. Here's an apple I did, no single pixels (I don't think so, anyway..) -

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Re: NEW CLUSTER STUDY THREAD!

Reply #104 on: January 23, 2014, 11:29:11 pm
it seems to me that the exercise becomes less meaningful when you do it on drawing containing large open areas.  Like this apple, and even the cranium of the skull erekt did.  Just browsing the thread it feels like the excecise is more meaningful when you focus on small areas where we would typically resort to useing alot of AA, or theres alot of detail.

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Re: NEW CLUSTER STUDY THREAD!

Reply #105 on: January 24, 2014, 12:31:25 am


now it gets interesting

where is the difference between that and Oekaki?
I'd personally consider this piece as Oekaki - what makes it pixelart for you?
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Re: NEW CLUSTER STUDY THREAD!

Reply #106 on: January 24, 2014, 01:06:22 am
I wish people would stop calling stuff Oekaki. Oekaki just means "drawing a picture" pretty much and it relates to a bunch of online painting programs mainly done in java. You could pixel with those programs and people have, I have to some degree when I was bored. It is not really a helpful term. When does pixelart stop being pixelart and become "oekaki" or a "doodle" or "another kind of digital art"? In any case Oekaki is not a helpful term for this, unrefined pixel doodle is more appropriate, though less short and convenient perhaps, but also not misleading.

To look at the other end of the spectrum of what Oekaki can be go here http://oekyo.org/06/
Most of those are grid copied, some are not, however, many are pretty far from "doodles"
You can also watch animations of many of them if you click ★動画
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Re: NEW CLUSTER STUDY THREAD!

Reply #107 on: January 24, 2014, 01:18:08 am
Just increase the minimum.


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I wish people would stop calling stuff Oekaki.
I actually just went and looked this up as I've heard the term a bunch of times but never really understood what it meant.
And yah it's a weird thing to call a sketch.
A repurposed definition I suppose.
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Re: NEW CLUSTER STUDY THREAD!

Reply #108 on: January 24, 2014, 03:43:57 am
oh no, that was not refined at all, just a sloppy outline. As for increasing the minimum, I assume you mean the minimum cluster size, which does work, yet loses a lot of readability texture-wise. I'd definitely agree with the meaningless-ness of managing clusters on larger pieces; it's neither challenging nor productive. I'll try to do the same on a smaller version of the apple later.

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Re: NEW CLUSTER STUDY THREAD!

Reply #109 on: January 24, 2014, 04:27:11 am
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I'd definitely agree with the meaningless-ness of managing clusters on larger pieces; it's neither challenging nor productive.
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Clusters are edge flow.
Edge flow matters.
I see the point of setting a min and max, but is there really a point in setting a range limitation?

http://s3.amazonaws.com/estock/fspid10/13/08/16/9/portrait-painting-1308169-o.jpg
http://www.zeldauniverse.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/link-stained-glass-full.jpg
http://www.pixeljoint.com/pixelart/54911.htm

Here's some stuff I did with this thread in mind




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