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King Arthur's Gold

on: December 06, 2013, 05:46:51 am
King Arthur's Gold

Hmmmmm, something seems familiar here . . .



Altered enough, I guess.

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Re: King Arthur's Gold

Reply #1 on: December 06, 2013, 10:40:34 am
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Re: King Arthur's Gold

Reply #2 on: December 06, 2013, 11:05:34 am
I dont think any of them are the same, just the same style.

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Re: King Arthur's Gold

Reply #3 on: December 06, 2013, 11:20:06 am

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Re: King Arthur's Gold

Reply #4 on: December 06, 2013, 11:51:52 am
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Re: King Arthur's Gold

Reply #5 on: December 06, 2013, 12:21:02 pm
Uncanny resemblance with the colour palette; it just seems to have higher contrast.
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Re: King Arthur's Gold

Reply #6 on: December 06, 2013, 12:23:06 pm
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Re: King Arthur's Gold

Reply #7 on: December 06, 2013, 12:38:30 pm
The artist on that project is Geti aka Max Cahill it seems: http://www.pixeljoint.com/p/27895.htmhttp://wayofthepixel.net/index.php?action=profile;u=11165. Guess he was inspired by pixelation emoticons.

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 :'( crow so mean.
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Re: King Arthur's Gold

Reply #8 on: December 06, 2013, 05:47:44 pm
I just saw the screenshots and came here to see what's up.
Not only are they a blatant ripoff, but a poor one at that.
They're just... wobbly. :(
You don't even need emoticons in a game like that.

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Re: King Arthur's Gold

Reply #9 on: December 06, 2013, 07:12:10 pm
Maybe they just look odd to us because we're used to them and associate them with this forum.


The use of a blocky emote design does make sense in a blocky, pixel game I suppose. I still don't like their application in the game, though. Looks weird.

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Re: King Arthur's Gold

Reply #10 on: December 07, 2013, 02:14:43 am
It's totally taken from here. They look like they weren't edited, but more like they used the emoticons as a reference. But, even I wouldn't forgive this.  >:( To me, the emoticons here are the best I've seen. They're easy to read, with nice sharp features, and they're square. But yeah, They totally copied.  :n:

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Re: King Arthur's Gold

Reply #11 on: December 07, 2013, 04:50:52 am
I think these smileys are so neat that it's hard to defend not copying them ;)

It's square, tilted yellow faces. Most smileys are yellow and if you're making them square then tilting them is a requirement to make them interesting and not totally boring.
So it's not impossible to get the idea on your own, even if he saw them here, what's the big deal with liking them enough to make something similar?

Besides, these one seem lower res and seem to have a bit of curving to them.
If you compare them side to side you'll see that they're not too similar.
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Re: King Arthur's Gold

Reply #12 on: December 07, 2013, 11:08:35 am
Oh, come on. Take it as flattery.

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Re: King Arthur's Gold

Reply #13 on: December 07, 2013, 02:01:55 pm
Oh, come on. Take it as flattery.
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Re: King Arthur's Gold

Reply #14 on: December 07, 2013, 03:05:19 pm
Not only are they a blatant ripoff, but a poor one at that.
They're just... wobbly. :(

I think that makes them look more interesting..

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Re: King Arthur's Gold

Reply #15 on: December 07, 2013, 09:04:00 pm
I think it makes them more confusing. I can't even tell what's going on.

They clearly are rotating objects, couldn't they just make square emotes and rotate them?
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Re: King Arthur's Gold

Reply #16 on: December 07, 2013, 11:24:37 pm
Well yeah, flattery with a little profit mixed in. Only one to be flattered would the original designer. Who was that, Snake? I don't remember.


I didn't think it a big deal, just thought I'd share since it amused me to find Pixelation's unique emotes in some random game. Doesn't really bother me.

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Re: King Arthur's Gold

Reply #17 on: December 07, 2013, 11:58:59 pm
I can't remember if these emoticons were in the game at the time, but the game was originally F2P so the profit isn't such a problem.
Also, the emoticons are such a small part of the game, and only vaguely resemble the Pixelation ones beyond being rotated squares.

Geti is a pretty chill guy, he doesn't seem like the type to steal other peoples work and sell it. He's also damned good at pixeling IMO.
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Re: King Arthur's Gold

Reply #18 on: December 08, 2013, 01:12:12 am
Hehe, free to play games still have plenty of profit potential.
"Free to play" is the popular business model used by many games ventures these days, but you better believe the development team still stands to make money. As they should.

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Re: King Arthur's Gold

Reply #19 on: December 08, 2013, 11:00:28 am
Who was that, Snake?

Pretty sure it was.
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Re: King Arthur's Gold

Reply #20 on: December 08, 2013, 02:30:14 pm
Didn't Camus design a lot of those?

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Re: King Arthur's Gold

Reply #21 on: December 08, 2013, 03:56:09 pm
Didn't Camus design a lot of those?

Our ones? Looks like snake did the majority of the "normal" ones: http://wayofthepixel.net/index.php?topic=4294.msg55039#msg55039
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Re: King Arthur's Gold

Reply #22 on: December 08, 2013, 11:24:18 pm
I'm pretty sure smileys have been made in all geometric shapes and colors, so how would one even make original smileys?
I mean even these smileys take features from the original smiley, like the color and being a face..
And the expressions on these smileys are pretty unique, which IMO is the most original factor, but those weren't the thing that was copied.

So I can't see this as a rip-off at all..
Unless people aren't allowed to make square smileys because we already have them here..


For reference:

 :) ;D :( :'( ??? :huh: ;) :D :mean: ::) >:( :o :P :-[ :-X :-\ :-* :ouch: :crazy: :hehe: :lol: :n: :y: :yell: :blind:

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Re: King Arthur's Gold

Reply #23 on: December 09, 2013, 02:34:28 pm
Seiseki, look at the colour palette of both the Pixelation smileys and King Arthur's Gold's smileys.
It's the exact same colour combination just with slightly higher contrast and lower gamma correction.
Here's a picture:

(KAG on the left, Pixelation in the middle, and the edited Pixelation one on the right [edited in GraphicsGale to: contrast  30, gamma correction  0.814])
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Re: King Arthur's Gold

Reply #24 on: December 09, 2013, 03:23:16 pm
Is it really a big deal?  How many of us have used Arne's/DB's palette?  This one isn't even doing them any favours, the orange AA is ruining it. 

edit:  Sorry - read that back and didn't mean to sound so rude, I actually just mean we'll all be better off to be a little less protective, and relax our grip on ownership a tiny bit.   :y:

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Re: King Arthur's Gold

Reply #25 on: December 10, 2013, 12:35:12 am
Interesting, I didn't know he the same palette..

So what if he wanted to make something that looked like the smileys here, copied one and used the palette..
At least he did his own version of it and I don't think it's that bad..
Sure he could have made his own palette.. Sure he could have made them round or any other shape..

But in the end all smileys are derivative anyways..

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Re: King Arthur's Gold

Reply #26 on: December 10, 2013, 02:14:36 am
I thought color stealing was not breaking decorum in the pixel art community. I mean I get that they copied the idea and all, idk I'm kind of in the middle on this one.

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Re: King Arthur's Gold

Reply #27 on: December 10, 2013, 03:29:42 am
I agree that they look similar, and that they use the same style, but they are obviously not copying, and who really cares if they use the same basic style, we can all agree that that style is really cool. Geti is a reputable artist and I don't see anyone being in the wrong here. People use other people's style for many numbers of things. In fact, many artists are hired solely to copy the style of another artist.

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Re: King Arthur's Gold

Reply #28 on: December 11, 2013, 11:07:31 pm
Is it really a big deal?  How many of us have used Arne's/DB's palette?  This one isn't even doing them any favours, the orange AA is ruining it. 

edit:  Sorry - read that back and didn't mean to sound so rude, I actually just mean we'll all be better off to be a little less protective, and relax our grip on ownership a tiny bit.   :y:

I'm going to assume that reply was towards me, mostly. ???
I really don't know how many of us used Arne's/DB's palette; I personally don't recall using anyone else's palette ever outside of PJ challenges and activities, where the whole point was to use the given palette. But I would never use someone else's colour palette for a game I'm making (unless that's what I was asked for), let alone a palette that isn't that great.

I don't really mind for it at all, just pointed out that the colour palette is nearly the exact same palette used for the smileys here; no hard feelings towards whoever made this.
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Re: King Arthur's Gold

Reply #29 on: December 12, 2013, 08:53:19 pm
I thought color stealing was not breaking decorum in the pixel art community. I mean I get that they copied the idea and all, idk I'm kind of in the middle on this one.

I never bought into the idea of palettes being something you should credit anyone for. I've never 'stolen' a palette, but then again, I really wouldn't care or mind of someone picked a few colors from an image of mine, whatever.

It really seems to me a neurotic preoccupation to guard the building blocks of how one makes something like that, as if they're meaningful in themselves. It's just colors, geez.

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Re: King Arthur's Gold

Reply #30 on: December 12, 2013, 09:37:58 pm
Just colors?!

Color theft is a serious offense! Whoever did this shall be condemned to go to pixel hell where from now until all eternities end they will be forced to push full black pixels on a full white 2x2 canvas while all other means of expression are taken away from them.

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Re: King Arthur's Gold

Reply #31 on: December 12, 2013, 09:40:21 pm
..forced to push full black pixels on a full white 2x2 canvas..

Lmao  :crazy: :crazy:

We should have an activity like that here, see how long it takes until someone declares us all insane..

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Re: King Arthur's Gold

Reply #32 on: December 14, 2013, 07:47:51 am
Colors aren't that big of a deal, I mean, it's not like you could copyright this or that shade of yellow or blue. But it's just as easy to make your own palette then search for one.

But it's like taking mario, and making up a plumber who looks like, but is not the same style and claiming that as your own. But now with the side-by-side comparison, I don't think it's even close to the same. Used as a reference sure, but drastically different.

(does anybody else see the minesweeper in the bottom corner?  :D)

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Re: King Arthur's Gold

Reply #33 on: December 14, 2013, 11:41:13 am
I'd say there's a difference between picking some colour and a fine-tuned palette as a whole.

However, the derivative property of a work is defined by several indicators, not in isolation but combination, colours is one clue among several to properly justify a case.

And there is a proportion of inspiration taken and work accomplished. It is silly to discredit a huge and fantastic work just because of some similarity of colour in some part of it; yet in a small and uninteresting one of which the choice of colours might be its only redeeming standout feature, that may bear mentioning by someone.

It should be given appreciation how difficult it is to really distinguish a work on small scale towards the purpose of it; there is just so much you can expect. However if there is a remaining opportunity for differentiation, making good on it shall be its glory, more than the miss its shame.

Then there is something to be said about manners when people make it a dedicated effort to provide for you. But also, it should be in relation of how much it matters to their benefit, and how much it matters to the goal and success of your work.

Not my business really, just some general thoughts.