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Re: Big boobed characters in video games

Reply #150 on: January 24, 2013, 07:15:41 am
Lets look at the whole discussion from a different direction... what would games have from avoiding this kind of stereotyping? Games are art after all, and art isn't about educating. Art doesn't get better by artificially restricting it, vision is what is important. If your vision is a overly cliched action movie spin off with "perfect" men and women then so be it, it certainly has it's appeal and avoiding sexy women would just hurt the atmosphere. However if your vision is a authentic world you might want to keep the overly beautiful characters at a minimum, this kind of world profits from diversity and modesty.

Sexy characters don't have to be avoided completely, but right now, they are often also/just a selling point. I'd rather have some more in-depth character development instead.
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Re: Big boobed characters in video games

Reply #151 on: January 24, 2013, 09:57:09 am
Sexy characters don't have to be avoided completely, but right now, they are often also/just a selling point. I'd rather have some more in-depth character development instead.

That's a good stance, generally.  But realistically, there's plenty of game types that don't afford any character development at all.  Say a slot machine, for example.  The art is only there to make them attractive / appealing not part of telling any kind of story.  (I don't really know much about actual slot machines, but the same goes for other completely story-less games I'd suppose).

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Re: Big boobed characters in video games

Reply #152 on: January 24, 2013, 10:43:29 am
Lets look at the whole discussion from a different direction... what would games have from avoiding this kind of stereotyping? Games are art after all, and art isn't about educating. Art doesn't get better by artificially restricting it, vision is what is important. If your vision is a overly cliched action movie spin off with "perfect" men and women then so be it, it certainly has it's appeal and avoiding sexy women would just hurt the atmosphere. However if your vision is a authentic world you might want to keep the overly beautiful characters at a minimum, this kind of world profits from diversity and modesty.

Yeah, as long as you are aware of what signals you're sending with your vision and what is influencing your decisions.
Also the fact that your vision is restricted in how it only appeals to a certain group.

The question is do we have a responsibility as artists and game designers?
We're conveying a tons of different messages and signals through art, character, storytelling and game design. So naturally we should be take responsibility right?

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Re: Big boobed characters in video games

Reply #153 on: January 24, 2013, 06:01:58 pm
http://www.giantbomb.com/news/eight-women-eight-responses-and-one-dead-island-riptide-statue/4527/ this is interesting and especially the contrast between the comments by women in the industry and the comments by site users below the article.

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Re: Big boobed characters in video games

Reply #154 on: January 24, 2013, 08:28:54 pm
Honestly right now I'm feeling like we're focusing too negatively on this.

I think we came to a point where we had all admitted that gender inequality isnt something we're fond of, but we also have to admit our kinks and our sexuality. But the discussion has been too narrowed down to a myriad ways in which we should NOT express our sexuality because it's objectifying.

I dont think this topic has to be about nagging on the ways boobs or asses are shown, I think we can understand ways that are more self aware to show our kinks while admitting them as that, and not being incongruent with showing truly strong and deep women.

it's weird, I'm feeling like I'm asking the forum wether or not it's ok for me to like this, but we need something to widen the discussion

http://video.adultswim.com/superjail/hot-chick.html

This episode of superjail has a completely objectified woman, but the way it's done is completely self aware and is a parody of itself, in that the disproportionate justifications used here to justify all of the character's actions around the hot chick are as insane as the defenses that are used for portraying women the same way.

I also post this because it has a similar level of ultra violence and sex as probertson does, but I think it's smarter than him because it's far more self aware and has more mature perspective. I do like art like that once in a while and I dont think having a wider perspective diminishes it.
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Re: Big boobed characters in video games

Reply #155 on: January 24, 2013, 08:33:19 pm
I don't think it's possible to make anyone not find sexy what they find sexy. But people shouldn't delude themselves if they think their sexual tastes are not informed by a patriarchical culture. There's nothing hypocritical about condemning sex negative culture and chauvinism while you say, masturbate to porn produced by this culture. We can't help who we are but we can be self-aware.

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Re: Big boobed characters in video games

Reply #156 on: January 24, 2013, 08:38:34 pm
that's exactly what I think...and why I posted that episode  :crazy: it's nothing but a male fantasy of an objectified woman but it's presented as that, and I feel that's enough.

we CAN express our kinks, there's just no need to pretend it's something else, it's just about recognizing the incongruity there.

EDIT: I just realized I have an oportunity here to post fuck shit stack...and I will because I love it :p (also it's another example of the same thing)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NkKOeeYko7w
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Re: Big boobed characters in video games

Reply #157 on: January 24, 2013, 10:15:37 pm
Did you read the lyrics of that song?

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Re: Big boobed characters in video games

Reply #158 on: January 24, 2013, 10:24:59 pm
yup. self parodying. guy's not really a rapper, he makes improvisational music/comedy and this music video is parodying rappers, from the bling bling (while he wears hobo's clothes) to the objectifying of women, which he does overtly to highlight the stupidity of this ladies man attitude.

He does have some other crappy music videos for comedy websites about boners or something and those suck...but this one I enjoy.

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Re: Big boobed characters in video games

Reply #159 on: January 24, 2013, 11:25:52 pm
First time I've seen that dismembered statue. It seems very much like something like the guro/amputee community might produce for enjoyment within their obscure subculture, where "helpless sexy torso" can be fetish. My first reaction was surprise to see it outside of it's natural habitat, Union Jack and all.

Some of the really weird sexualities and fetishes out there are sort of culturally isolated from the "normal" sex stuff that's pushed on the general population. In this case there's an awkward overlap, with the big boobs.



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