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Re: Big boobed characters in video games

Reply #260 on: April 15, 2013, 10:59:39 am
Let's say that military drafting was changed and both men and women were forced to do military service.
- What's the first thought that pops up in your head?

Oh, but would the women be safe? What about sexual harassment or rape?
The military is so harsh and violent, too harsh an environment for women, they're not suited for it.
It's male territory and forcing females into it just gives the men the upper hand..


Those were some of my first thoughts, but isn't all that just misogynist logic? Making women into victims.
At the same time, to achieve gender equality are we going to make the men more feminine or the women more masculine?

The first thought that goes to my head is 'well, that's a war-hungry nation, and that's fucked'. Nothing like what you said. Which thoughts yes, I do think stem from a patriarchical influence on you. Not to say that I'm not worried about rape and sexual abuse in the military anyway, regardless of whether there's women there.

As to solving gender equality via making men more feminine and women more masculine, no such thing. Feminism won't be *making* anyone do anything. It's a matter of raising awarness on that gender roles are fabricated to a large extent and anyone who feels like stepping out of them will be safe and supported just as much legally and socially as anybody who thought themselves to be 'normal'. People will on their own start feeling more comfortable in their skin being what they are, that is the goal. Of course, after a long time, people will have adjusted out of customary aggressive masculine roles because those roles will not socially work as well as they did in the past; People will not recieve as much credit for fulfilling a stereotype. So there will be less 'masculine men' but not because anyone made them, but because a fairer world forgot about them.

Well, at least that's a nice fairytale. But if you're asking about the feminist endgame, you're going to get fairytales. Let's focus on stopping for rape now.

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I'm against sex work because I can't imagine someone willing to have sex with anyone.
We all have preferences and sex is based on attraction. It's also extremely intimate and there can be psychological issues related to it.

Sex work is WORK. You should talk with a few sex workers who are proud of their work. Or at least go to one of their forums and lurk.


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Uhm, how is that even remotely the same thing?
And if you get to pick and choose who you sell to, then any benefits --  like providing sex to people unable to get it on their own due to handicap or appearance -- that sex trade provides is gone.

They're not. There are people in the industry who will provide services to the people you mention without feeling oppressed or violated for it. In fact they will feel happy and that they have given to the world. Those are your sexual hangups.

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Just because someone is willing to do something for money doesn't mean they want to do it or that it would be healthy for them..

This is why we should work so that the sex industry in our respective countries is transparent and well regulated, not that it is annihilated.

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Re: Big boobed characters in video games

Reply #261 on: April 15, 2013, 04:36:58 pm
They're not. There are people in the industry who will provide services to the people you mention without feeling oppressed or violated for it. In fact they will feel happy and that they have given to the world. Those are your sexual hangups.

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Just because someone is willing to do something for money doesn't mean they want to do it or that it would be healthy for them..

This is why we should work so that the sex industry in our respective countries is transparent and well regulated, not that it is annihilated.

Those are in clear minority, the majority are exploited and violated.
Even if a small part gets legalized there will still be ones working outside of that system.
Why go through so much trouble to allow a small minority to work as prostitutes?

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Re: Big boobed characters in video games

Reply #262 on: April 15, 2013, 04:51:47 pm
If prostitution was legal everywhere and prostitutes had unions there would be way less problems.

Basically what you are saying is: "It is too hard to improve the system, let's not try."
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Re: Big boobed characters in video games

Reply #263 on: April 15, 2013, 06:45:26 pm
Why go through so much trouble to allow a small minority to work as prostitutes?

Because that is the trouble a social state must go through every day to provide for every citizen with the type of life they want to live.

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Re: Big boobed characters in video games

Reply #264 on: April 15, 2013, 07:18:11 pm
If prostitution was legal everywhere and prostitutes had unions there would be way less problems.

Basically what you are saying is: "It is too hard to improve the system, let's not try."

With a limited budget you have to make priorities.
It all depends on how easy it would be to get rid of the illegal prostitution.

And I think a lot of people see female prostitution as the ultimate form of objectification and I have a hard time not seeing it that way.

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Re: Big boobed characters in video games

Reply #265 on: April 15, 2013, 08:25:22 pm
How would legalising prostitution and letting the prostitutes have a union be a massive budget issue?

On the objectification claim, yeah I am sure there are people who believe that, but I am sure many prostitutes would disagree. What the issue is about in this case is letting people do what they want (as long as they hurt no one), and be able to do so safely.
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Re: Big boobed characters in video games

Reply #266 on: April 15, 2013, 10:12:47 pm
The ultimate form of female objectification is to have power over her life and sexuality. Ergo, rape and murder. Prostitution, when legal and protected, is neither rape nor murder.

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Re: Big boobed characters in video games

Reply #267 on: April 15, 2013, 11:36:59 pm
Then what about pornography and strippers?
Those are legal areas where women are being objectified and exploited, despite having unions..

What will keep prostitution from becoming as sleezy and male dominated as the porn industry?
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Re: Big boobed characters in video games

Reply #268 on: April 16, 2013, 12:22:59 am
Then what about pornography and strippers?
Those are legal areas where women are being objectified and exploited, despite having unions..

What will keep prostitution from becoming as sleezy and male dominated as the porn industry?

There's a lot more that I should be replying to, but you should definitely look into more about pornography as it relates to the rights of women. Not all porn is about male dominance, and not even all of it eschews the female audience. Women watch and enjoy porn too, and the women involved in it can be embracing themselves in a manner that is not merely exploitation by males.

Protip bought about by Helm himself, read up on third wave feminism and the ideas of sex positivity and you'll find that thinking women can only be objectified and exploited in pornography is something that is combatted; women can enjoy and be as active in sex as men. You'd also probably be surprised about the market for porn where women are dominating men.

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Re: Big boobed characters in video games

Reply #269 on: April 16, 2013, 01:22:50 am
Again, we're talking of a small minority within a larger industry that is far from gender equal.

Just look at lesbian porn vs gay porn, men are pretty much dominating both genres, even though you'd think lesbian porn would be aimed towards women..
This thread was about the male audience dominating the gaming industry, well the porn industry is way more male dominated yet everyone seem to be defending both the porn industry and sex trade while no such distinctions have yet to be made for the gaming industry.

I'm seeing a lot of mixed messages here..