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Sushi train selection

on: June 07, 2006, 12:34:57 pm
Hello Pixelopolis!

This is my first post and it's great to be here. The following are a selection of sushi images which will be used as part of a larger project. Any C+C is welcome. Thanks!

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Re: Sushi train selection

Reply #1 on: June 07, 2006, 03:00:22 pm
Are you sure about the california rolls? The shape is usually more like maki's, isn't it ?

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Re: Sushi train selection

Reply #2 on: June 07, 2006, 05:20:44 pm
Looking nice. I won't comment on the correctness of the food, since i know little about sushi other than the ocasional picture in the media, other than saying it's very nicely represented, halfway between realistic and cartoony, and inviting/yummy. I love representations of food, so this goes right to my soft spot.
I have a pick about the plates though. Since the food looks represented from an obvious 3/4 up/side view, the plates should also be in such a perspective, but they look as being seen straight from above. It could be a style/design choice, but if it's not, i'd try to convey some foreshortening by increasing the vertical size of the upper border of the plate, and reducing and adding highlights on the lower border.

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Re: Sushi train selection

Reply #3 on: June 07, 2006, 06:49:45 pm
These turned out great!  the second two look weaker than the first 3 to me, their shapes and perspectives aren't as obvious, and the heavy patterning/dots (regardless of authenticity) make them busy and hard to read compared to the others.  Great colors and lighting!

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Re: Sushi train selection

Reply #4 on: June 07, 2006, 11:20:10 pm
Thanks for the feedback!

fil_razorback - I have to admit to not being very learned in authentic Japanese sushi, I have based these pieces mostly on what you can find in sushi restaurants here in Australia. Which ones are you referring to as the California Rolls? I've just checked wikipedia and it says California Rolls are the ones made with the rice on the outside (number four from my pieces) but in Australia California Rolls seems to have a pretty loose definition.

Turbo - I agree about the plates and they have been troubling me as not looking like the right perspective. I'll give your suggestions a try.
I'm glad you think they look inviting to eat - that was the main intention! :)

AdamAtomic - I feel the same about the last two and had the most trouble with these. My main problem is the last one (the temaki) should probably be larger and perhaps be only one per plate. I'll see what I can do about it.

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Re: Sushi train selection

Reply #5 on: June 08, 2006, 04:05:20 am
Okay, I've changed the plate according to the crits, but now I'm thinking I do prefer the more stylised original. Anyone got any thoughts?

Original


New plate

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Re: Sushi train selection

Reply #6 on: June 08, 2006, 04:24:14 am
the original one seems to match the perspective of the actual food better I think...I really like the highlights on the second one though...i dunno that is a tough call!

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Re: Sushi train selection

Reply #7 on: June 08, 2006, 04:28:35 am
i think what Turbo means by foreshortening is this: /__\ make the plaete like that, to make it look 3/4 view.
btw, i like how you shaded/highlighted the seaweed things (the black wraps, dunno what you call them, so...)...
also, these make me hungry. :)
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Re: Sushi train selection

Reply #8 on: June 08, 2006, 04:34:18 am


yes?

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Re: Sushi train selection

Reply #9 on: June 08, 2006, 05:23:32 am
Thanks Helm but I'm going for a less shiny plastic, plus I'm trying to not emphasise the plates too much as they're not the focus.

Here's a new direction:

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Re: Sushi train selection

Reply #10 on: June 09, 2006, 02:58:39 am
Your first edit is exactly what i had in mind, monteboyd. But i believe the highlight would go around the outer ridge, like this

I quite like the former version of the plates, honestly, rather than that new one.

I think a highlight on the right ridge would also be adequate, forgot about it.
« Last Edit: June 09, 2006, 03:06:21 am by Turbo »

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Re: Sushi train selection

Reply #11 on: June 09, 2006, 03:37:01 am
Ah, I see the wisdom of your approach now Turbo, here's my version:

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Re: Sushi train selection

Reply #12 on: June 09, 2006, 09:07:20 am
fil_razorback - I have to admit to not being very learned in authentic Japanese sushi, I have based these pieces mostly on what you can find in sushi restaurants here in Australia. Which ones are you referring to as the California Rolls? I've just checked wikipedia and it says California Rolls are the ones made with the rice on the outside (number four from my pieces) but in Australia California Rolls seems to have a pretty loose definition.

>>> Well, in the japanese restaurants I went to, the California rolls (#4) looked like this :
The shape is nearly the same as maki's (#1), just a bit less cylindrical.

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Re: Sushi train selection

Reply #13 on: June 09, 2006, 05:59:08 pm
Yes, that's it. But brighter highlights, make sure they're easily visible at the original size (as in helm's edit), which presently they're not.

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Re: Sushi train selection

Reply #14 on: June 09, 2006, 11:46:39 pm
helm, i say, "yes"... the depth of the plate looks much more like it is bending upwards to accept or embrace the contents (perspective of plate achieved).

i really like these pieces, and they happen to be some of my favorite ^_^. cali rolls are customarily made with the rice on the outermost layer, but ive seen them done either way ( i assume its easier to make just wrapping the rice on the inside perhaps). the tamago is my favorite one, its accuracy and colors are primo and i think it best represents the food its trying to illustrate in an accurate, yet colorful/stylized manner.

the shrimp sashimi has wonderful colors, though i find the shape of the shrimp itself looking a bit too rectangular in nature. i am aware that the belly is slit and is spread out to take the shape of the rice, but in my memory it looks more like a triangle ontop than a square. i knwo if i were personally coloring these i would shift the hue from the orange to apink when going from lighter tones to darker ones, i think that would look especially good on these here shrimpies (slurp)

the only one that seems not very strong to me is the temaki... usually the contents are gushing out the top in an artful manner from what i can remember, yours dont really look 'full' or 'wrapped' as much as they do 'stuffed', if that makes sense. theyre supposed to be very non symmetrical by nature and i can only best describe the contents pouring out like a 'boutique'.

i think your understanding of color is certainly up there, these are fun pieces to look at in general.

oh one last thing there, if you are going for a less shiny/plastic feel, perhaps throw in some texture... also the playful, artificial blue color used for the plate might not really help the illlusion, perhaps switching to a dark green or a deep red (though not overly saturated) would help.

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Re: Sushi train selection

Reply #15 on: June 10, 2006, 12:46:25 am
Thanks for all the excellent advice, I'm taking it all on board and I'll keep working on them and post again.

st0ven I think you're spot on about the temaki - that's what has been bothering me about them.

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Updates!

Reply #16 on: June 10, 2006, 01:56:13 am
Made some updates taking on board most of the advice:



It is probably also worth mentioning that in the final usage of these they will appear 2x by default. There will be an option to reduce them to 1x and up them to 3x.

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Re: Sushi train selection

Reply #17 on: June 10, 2006, 01:58:42 am
They look very good at 3 times.  My only cocern is the last one.  The perspective to me looks warped. 
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Re: Sushi train selection

Reply #18 on: June 10, 2006, 05:23:48 am
It seems I severily misunderstood the intended shape of the plates in my edit. If x2 is default, I'd loose the jagged lines at the /  \  sides of the plate since they're very visible at anything but 1x. straighten them out? Also a lot of AAing could be achieved on the foods themselves that you haven't attempted, I guess style thing, but I'd give it a shot anyway. Example.

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Re: Sushi train selection

Reply #19 on: June 12, 2006, 09:01:09 am
I've made an update to these. I was going for a less AAed look originally but Helm's advice makes sense so I've taken it on: