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[1up]

[9:21:55 PM] chad "the dad" logston: they look liek brothers
[9:22:02 PM] chad "the dad" logston: its beautiful

left one is chads, using it for a reference


apparently he already posted his here though so /heh/

[1up]

sorry for the double post, figured its been long enough to do so



i'll add the blue back into that chunk of hair if i can come up with a decent enough palette for it, everything i've come up with so far bugs me

[Larwick]

I'd suggest working on this piece without chad's right next to it. You need to make it your own. That hat... oh god that hat. I hate that hat so much. Sorry I just had to say it.

The ear needs moving back a bit. His collar bone (on our right) is too high, and I would be careful with making that area cling too much to his body shape - the material is probably very light. His nose is currently very stumped, it reminds me of a cats nose or something.

His eyebrows are above his fringe/bangs it looks like, which is not a style I personally like but obviously you're free to use it. I would probably make it more obvious though?

The side of his face shows a very low cheek... or a very high jaw? I would give him a bit of a jaw lump near his mouth there and perhaps move his cheekbone up.

That's it! 

[1up]

hopefully the nose and jaw are fixed?

also applied some of the crits i got at tigs, mostly just palette changes

[Arachne]

It's looking promising.

Basically, what Larwick said, plus a few things.



The shape of the lower lip isn't very well defined right now. Using only that bright shade to define it makes it look flat. I would also be careful with using such dark lines, like under the lip and nose. This makes them look very sharp compared to other features and draws a lot of attention to them. I think the part of the nose furthest away needs to be foreshortened more, and I also moved the right eye further to the left. I shrunk the left shoulder and tried to give him a more obvious adam's apple. I should probably have put a little more thought into the neck area, though.

Overall, I'd go with more blocky facial features. Feminine is softer, masculine is sharper. Perhaps a little too sharp in this edit compared to the style you're going for. Don't be afraid to use reference to get a better idea of where to place the facial features and the facial planes. The area around the eyes seems a little sketchy at the moment. Keep in mind that the eyes is perhaps the most important part of the face to us, so I think this is a place it would be wise to put a little extra care into.

Hope that helps.

[1up]

Feminine is softer, masculine is sharper.

actually, the entirety of the reason he looks so feminine is because he's supposed to
when i was making the first few sprites for this character, he was designed with the purpose of being mr. androgyny


the rest of the post is really helpful though, thanks!

[Accident]

C: perhaps one can reach a happy medium?

[Gil]

I really like Accident's edit. It still has the exagerated eyes and simplified lips (which I like) from the original, with a better face structure.

Arachne's edit is good, but overconstructed and overpronounced highlights, I'd say.

[1up]

not really sure whats going on with the blue, added it back in but
eh

[7321551]

Look at the philtrum. Rotate the face in your mind. Which direction is it upper lip oriented? Downward. That's crazy. They usually face slightly upward, or occasionally straight vertically.



The nose needs to be rotated to the right a little.

You're right to be hesitant about that blue thing - it's no good.

[alkaline]

7321551 is right. also the nose is in a "fake nose" situation, the eyes are weirdly/overly highlighted.

[1up]

also the nose is in a "fake nose" situation

i wish i knew what this meant, but

!!!

tried fixing the other things though

also, the blue streak hair hopefully looks less like a tentacle now

[MadHatter]

The blue tentacle needs a bit more black hair
The checkers on the hat need more shading, looks odd.

[1up]

xXx fuck da hat xXx
seriously have no idea how to even begin cleaning it up
and it's going to continue bugging me because everyone i've showed it to is all "naw it looks fine, just fix up the lines, it doesnt need any more shades" but because i know it's still technically a sketch
and it could get away with more shades to be /in the style/ i wont stop being bugged by this

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[7321551]

Redraw the hat, then. The brim doesn't look like a brim (assuming it's supposed to based on your avatar), the dark-to-midtone transition on the side doesn't make sense (I can't see the surface being at a different angle there), & the top of the hat doesn't move down on (our) left like my mind wants it too (for perspective - to be parallel with his eyeline & meet to the very far-left).

Also - it's too big. Offa my lawn.

[MadHatter]

also
something thats been bugging me
thats one really large ear. maybe make it a bit smaller?

oh you naughty boy
you added an extra shade

[1up]

it's too big. Offa my lawn.

nope sorry officer it needs to stay big, i have a note from my doctor explaining the details u_________u




not sureif i should go with one of these or just try another hat shape/design/whathaveyou

because the huge hat has been part of the design for awhile now, and it's really been one of my favorite parts of the design so i don't feel okay about getting rid of it for one portrait 

[MadHatter]

keep it the way it is but bigger
as hannah montana once said
you get the best of both worlds

[Accident]

Yes, but Miley Cyrus said she couldn't be tamed. 

Well. What was your idea of a big-ass hat in the first place? I'm just curious.
How did you come across the checkered pattern? Why is that the only distinguishing feature it has, other than its size?
I see you as the sorta person who just does things because they seem to look good to you, but please tell me if I'm wrong.

dgdsfhfbfgdhbd.
If my eyes weren't tired I'd give you an edit.

[icarly viewer]

i like w/o hat personal :- )

[MadHatter]

i think the hat adds more originality to the character
and that blue tentacle coming out from his hair

also
i hate how good you are at shading hair

[adcrusher524]

Even though I don't like that hat, if you don't have it i don't think the blue thing fits in as well. I think the blue hair works better when its cut off by the hat and you can't see the beginning of it.

[Mathias]

wait why lose the hat
leave the hat there lolz

looks too generic w/o it

the blue hair thing is weird
its outa place

[Tuna Unleashed]

yeah, i would definitely keep the hat, just make the rim thing look longer. also, your shading is definitely smoother and nicer than the stuff on chad's, but it loses a lot of the chaotic feel that makes his look so good. idk

[Jad]

Mathias, I'm glad to see that you're excercising your vocal flexibility and trying new modes of typing on the internets



Shit is an edit

Basically what I want to say is this: Detailed shading-style style needs more construction or he'll look like he's made out of dough. You're avoiding foreshortening and tend to not place things in front of other things, which is why you can see both nostrils which you wouldn't be able to, except if he's asian or something like that, but then the rest of his face needs to reflect that. Also with the shoulders and the neck, they're all drawn so that everything shows, so to say. The chin would probably hide some of the neck and the farther shoulder would be less visible than you've drawn it.

So anyways:

To the left is a guy with more construction, more illusion of a believable 3d shape, etc. Hat is smaller cause I wanted everything to fit together

To the right is a guy with much more stylized features and more swooshy lines (maybe) just to make a point that if you want him to have a huge hat, then maybe you should simplify and stylize and make things more dynamic overall

so he just doesn't look like a super serious guy trying to look all cool with the goofiest hat on earth. Ok, I see the appeal in that too, but then you'd have to aim for a way to convey that too.

I think? That's what I've got

[Photocopier]

<3 for Jad 

This is a somewhat clunky edit, but here's what I think about the blue bit of hair:

What it's lacking is strands/parts of the rest of the hair coming through, the way you've done it makes it unconnected to everything else.
overall though I'm much enjoying your art

[tehwexxl0rz]

I love Photocopier's edit; I couldn't agree more. I don't know if this is intentional, but the ear looks blatantly comical and out of place.

Also, is it just me or should the eyes be lower?

[Jeremy]

For the nose, less is more. Maybe 




I'm ambivalent on the blue thing. May look better if there's something the same colour somewhere else in the pic.