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[WIP] Laura Palmer Portrait [C+C]

on: March 13, 2010, 06:06:07 pm

Okay so this is my first attempt at a portrait, figured I'd get some input from you guys.

EDIT:
Changed the skin tone, and played around with the mouth.
I need some advice on the eyes, nose and lips.


I used this reference
« Last Edit: March 15, 2010, 07:36:09 am by ChadHachey »

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Re: [WIP] Laura Palmer Portrait [C+C]

Reply #1 on: March 15, 2010, 08:25:27 am
Keep at it! March April 8th 2010 will be the 20th anniversary of the Twin Peaks pilot episode. ;D
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Re: [WIP] Laura Palmer Portrait [C+C]

Reply #2 on: March 15, 2010, 08:59:52 am
Oh man you're right! Gotta finish this for the 8th then.  :lol:

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Re: [WIP] Laura Palmer Portrait [C+C]

Reply #3 on: March 15, 2010, 12:12:10 pm
I'm curious, of the two pictures lined up in your original post, which one is the newest? I want to know whether to praise or scold your improvements : D

kidding, I wouldn't scold you eitherway. Still curious
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Re: [WIP] Laura Palmer Portrait [C+C]

Reply #4 on: March 15, 2010, 12:39:56 pm
The one on the right is the newest one  :P

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Re: [WIP] Laura Palmer Portrait [C+C]

Reply #5 on: March 15, 2010, 10:49:40 pm

Made more edits to shading Not sure how to tackle the hair, any ideas?

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Re: [WIP] Laura Palmer Portrait [C+C]

Reply #6 on: March 15, 2010, 11:05:00 pm
Don't use dithering on skin!

Is there a color limit? Just add another skin tone if there's a problem.

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Re: [WIP] Laura Palmer Portrait [C+C]

Reply #7 on: March 15, 2010, 11:12:24 pm
Nah, I'm not following any color limits as this is my first attempt.
Is there any specific reason why not to use dithering? I've seen many portraits that make use of dithering.

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Re: [WIP] Laura Palmer Portrait [C+C]

Reply #8 on: March 16, 2010, 01:40:01 am
Nah, I'm not following any color limits as this is my first attempt.
Is there any specific reason why not to use dithering? I've seen many portraits that make use of dithering.

As a rule I think you shouldn't use dithering like you would use a regular color. It's best used sparsely in key places, and the purpose is more to add texture then a whole new color.

I suppose it would be acceptable if you were working with like 2-3 colors only. But you have 7 colors there and it seems like your just dithering to for dithering sake :huh:

The result of over-dithering is a flattened look, and it also restricts detail that you would otherwise have room for.

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Re: [WIP] Laura Palmer Portrait [C+C]

Reply #9 on: March 16, 2010, 11:48:46 am
I use dithering a lot to blend colors. ' ___ '

Like helm said in the ramblethread ... ? He said it somewhere anyways: "Dithering is at its best when not noticeable"

Good color blend dithering adds colors that trick the eyes. One of the best ways is to dither between low-contrast colors, for example, or to dither somewhere where the brain notices the edges of two color clusters, to make it less noticeable. Dithering where the brain doesn't 'catch' the bands, is just creating noise and unnecessary complexity.

Aaand that's what I'd like to tell you right now: Whether you want to use dithering or not in the end, THIS is not the time. You need as much clarity as possibly possible when trying to place lighting and shadow in a way to sculpt a face that has likeness to a piece of reference - you don't have room for noise and complexity! Sculpt your image with color clusters, making it work with that, then, if you feel like it, dither the places where the bands/clusters collide.

That's all. Oh and yes.

SCOLD! Your first one was better, rendering-wise. Take your new colors and new shapes and apply it upon the old one, sans the dithering. And do add the eyes, too, they're important reference points anyway.
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Re: [WIP] Laura Palmer Portrait [C+C]

Reply #10 on: March 17, 2010, 11:08:30 pm

Improvement or...?
« Last Edit: March 18, 2010, 01:13:00 am by ChadHachey »

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Re: [WIP] Laura Palmer Portrait [C+C]

Reply #11 on: March 18, 2010, 12:55:36 am
This is mainly a color edit, but I also picked at the face.



Remember that skin looks best when it is more saturated in the middle colors.

Also, do you have a reference pic you're using? If so you should post it.

Edit: After seeing the reference I played with my edit a bit more. In the third one I tried to get more into those crazy shadows in the photo to mixed results. I also looked into the show she is from... seems pretty interesting.
« Last Edit: March 18, 2010, 10:18:24 am by NaCl »

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Re: [WIP] Laura Palmer Portrait [C+C]

Reply #12 on: March 18, 2010, 12:59:39 am
There's a link to my reference in the first post :p

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Re: [WIP] Laura Palmer Portrait [C+C]

Reply #13 on: March 18, 2010, 01:15:14 am
This is nice, I like it. The chest area (yep i mean the tits) are looking a bit weird... and the smile is verging on deranged....

good job so far though

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Re: [WIP] Laura Palmer Portrait [C+C]

Reply #14 on: March 19, 2010, 10:12:03 pm

Edited the hair, and added some more details to the face, mainly the ear.
...thinking about calling this done soon?

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Re: [WIP] Laura Palmer Portrait [C+C]

Reply #15 on: March 19, 2010, 11:33:59 pm
You should really listen to NaCl about the colors.

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Re: [WIP] Laura Palmer Portrait [C+C]

Reply #16 on: March 20, 2010, 12:57:01 am
It has a sort of flat look. You have a lot of colors there but you don't make much use of them for some reason.

I did a light study of the reference just for fun, maybe it will help.

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Re: [WIP] Laura Palmer Portrait [C+C]

Reply #17 on: March 20, 2010, 01:07:02 am

Edited the hair, and added some more details to the face, mainly the ear.
...thinking about calling this done soon?

I suggest tweaking the area around the mouth -- you've defined the muscles around the upper lip (and the lips themselves) too much, leading to a forced kind of expression from the mouth. Maybe drop that line on the right corner of the mouth (our right) seeing as it only gives her the 'chubby cheeks' look, and work on that small area of lights on the left side of the mouth. The bottom lip's value and hue is very close to the skin tone surrounding it, leading to them blending into one another. Maybe either put a lighter skin tone around the lips or work on the lips' color.
For a more natural smile, cover up the bottom layer of teeth with lip.

Other than that, this piece looks promising. :)
« Last Edit: March 20, 2010, 03:26:46 am by WM »

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Re: [WIP] Laura Palmer Portrait [C+C]

Reply #18 on: March 20, 2010, 03:12:44 am

Yet another update, reworked the shading thanks to EvilEye's post.
« Last Edit: March 21, 2010, 03:22:52 pm by ChadHachey »