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[WIP] Yggdrasil

on: February 27, 2010, 06:24:07 pm


been working on this on and off for a while, got some good crits from the crowd at pixeljoint and at #pixelation, here's where i am on it at the moment.

yggdrasil is a giant tree from norse mythology that is basically the 'tree of life.' this is but one interpretation of how it could look.

i'd really like input on the colors and mood. i want the top half to create a "happy, love, life" feel, whereas when you go down, you are pulled into a darker, more "dreary, desolate" feel.

crits on pixeling and design are good, too. it's really fun playing with the idea of something and interpreting it as your own; yet i would like others' personal interpretation of the design and idea, as well. this piece is quite the endeavor, and in-between soccer and school it will be a good relaxation device, i'd say! haha.

thanks in advanced!  :)

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Re: [WIP] Yggdrasil

Reply #1 on: February 27, 2010, 07:00:42 pm
The clouds look more like exploded marshmallows to me.  The point where the blue hits the murky green is also throwing me off, it seems a little sudden - maybe some dither or AA would help.  Otherwise, the tree looks good, and the form of the island is nice.  It could use a tad more contrast, but it's great otherwise!

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Re: [WIP] Yggdrasil

Reply #2 on: February 27, 2010, 09:39:30 pm
The clouds are unnatural, they look like they're forming around the object and that's not how clouds roll.

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Re: [WIP] Yggdrasil

Reply #3 on: February 27, 2010, 09:52:16 pm
this is probably one of my favourite of your pieces   :y:. anyway, i feel like the whole thing looks too smooth. its really soft on the eyes, which is nice, but nothing stands out or has any impact.

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Re: [WIP] Yggdrasil

Reply #4 on: February 27, 2010, 11:08:57 pm
The clouds are unnatural, they look like they're forming around the object and that's not how clouds roll.

Mind you, this is the TREE OF LIFE, the fact that the clouds don't behave naturally around it might just be deliberate.

I think something like that might be needed to express the magic-ness of the tree.
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Re: [WIP] Yggdrasil

Reply #5 on: February 27, 2010, 11:32:16 pm
Yes, I agree.

As an artist, you're often supposed to bend things out of realism, to enhance the actual artwork.

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Re: [WIP] Yggdrasil

Reply #6 on: February 28, 2010, 01:05:22 am
I think the background is a bit too distracting from the tree.  Maybe a little more contrast to pop it out a bit?  You could probably push the colors overall some as well.
  

Also the large root on the right seems out of place.

You might consider casting some shadows on the statues and undergrowth...

Also a tree is supposed to have as much root as it has tree...and it seems like your roots are much bigger/deeper than they should be.

I think you're having fun with some whimsical risks here, but overall being too safe.

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Re: [WIP] Yggdrasil

Reply #7 on: February 28, 2010, 09:50:02 am
ohh massive potential in this piece, looking nice as is. Be sure to render the tree/trunk and figures much sharper than everything else, if they are going to be the focal point.

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Re: [WIP] Yggdrasil

Reply #8 on: February 28, 2010, 11:33:35 am
There are some composition issues, I'm not sure I see them all clearly yet.

The clouds upper limit is tangent to the tree top, which is distracting because they already have not too dissimilar textures and tones.

The bg textures (both clouds and 'rock') have lines that 'go around' the center, which tends to make the eye wander aimlessly. Pointing those features towards the center might help.

The light is too even, both bg and fg. The typical idea would be to have a well-lit tree, darker ground level and darkest underground. Other options would be nice too: inverted, lightest in the middle, etc. The bg light gradient might be opposite to the fg's.

And maybe for a tree that's as unique as this, you'd expect wilder colors.

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Re: [WIP] Yggdrasil

Reply #9 on: February 28, 2010, 04:27:42 pm
also, a cloud pattern sort of like this one

would put the focus on the tree without looking so oddly shaped

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Re: [WIP] Yggdrasil

Reply #10 on: February 28, 2010, 05:02:17 pm
The piece seems way off balance -- the left side seems to be leaning. I agree about the clouds needing to be redone, though I can't really say how.

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Re: [WIP] Yggdrasil

Reply #11 on: March 01, 2010, 08:48:47 pm
To me the clouds look like a giant mountain. I'd break them up a little bit. Also, there's
That squirell which is called Ratatosk runs up and down the ash and carries malicious words between the eagle and Ndhgg
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Re: [WIP] Yggdrasil

Reply #12 on: March 01, 2010, 09:29:23 pm
I disagree with virtually all the crits so far personally... I think the background is good, just is still WIP obviously. Once it is fully rendered I think it will be perfect.

This is shaping up to be one of my favorite pieces.

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Re: [WIP] Yggdrasil

Reply #13 on: March 01, 2010, 11:29:29 pm
I retain my previous comment - I think secondary lighting from, well, below-ish is in order! With all the blue light reflected from the clouds and sky, the leaves oughta be lit by them - try painting some of the leaves lit from below by blue light, just try. If it looks good then my point stands, if it looks like shit then my idea is bad. But do try!
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Re: [WIP] Yggdrasil

Reply #14 on: March 04, 2010, 01:36:03 am
Wow, guys! So much excellent critique in this topic! I've gotten opinions on the clouds saying they're fine as are and need to be detailed, and I've had opinions saying to take them a whole different direction!

I really like Tuna's idea for the clouds as an alternate; that would probably center the design more on the tree, I suppose.

Jad, your idea of a reflection of blue light upon the leaves is also a good idea to try; I implemented it a tad at the bottom of the tree, but I'm assuming you'd like me to carry that out further?

RGD, there's actually a really small squirrel on the side of the tree, it's just not noticable thanks to the statue. I'll probably end up moving him somewhere else! :)

Dusty, I'll see if I can properly fix the balance issue- thanks!

Manupix, great ideas! Wilder colors, you say? That might work; it'd be interesting if some of you would try some of your color combinations on it. I'd love to see what you all would think as "wild, yet unified colors," and what colors would fit.

Tom, thanks, man! :) Sure thing!

snakesqzns, thanks for all the critique! It's very useful. The roots are actually supposed to be a mirror of another tree, though!

Tuna - thanks for both posts, they're very helpful. I'll try and render the focal point better, in any case! :)

I'm still looking for opinions on the clouds; edits, examples, ideas, anything that you'd like to discuss! Thanks so far, everyone! I'll hopefully get around to fixing these things this weekend.


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Re: [WIP] Yggdrasil

Reply #15 on: March 04, 2010, 02:43:30 am
Yes, the roots mirror the tree.  I brought it up because your roots are *much* more massive than the actual tree.