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Pixel Art / Re: Human Male Base(WIP)
« on: January 23, 2013, 12:24:24 pm »
The overall motion isn't bad, but there's two quite drastic problems:

1. Feet - it seems that they wiggle a bit, like they don't plant firmly on the ground, or the character would move on his heels most of the time.

2. Jumps in the animation - mainly from frame #5 to frame #6. There's very little movement in frame #5 which makes the animation "slow down" for a moment and then there's a sudden jump, like it tries to catch up.  You should even out the movement over the course of the frames.

Of course, In case of, for example, attack or running animations, you'll want some frames to have more movement than others to create a more dynamic movement, but a standard (not stylized, not limping etc.) walk cycle should be pretty smooth.

Walk cycle is very regular, so it works best to plan it ahead, for example:

1. knee bent, foot in the air
2. leg straightening out, feet heel on the ground or towards
3. leg starts to bend, only toes on the ground
4. knee bent, leg lifted (but not as the frist one)

Same movements for the other leg but offset by 2 frames

General Discussion / Re: Flashback HD & The terrible truth of remakes
« on: January 23, 2013, 12:12:06 pm »
That's... awful if you ask me :P

It's not that I'm against modern graphics in games (or in general) but it looks like they didn't even put the effort to follow the original style and mood.

It simply looks bland and generic. So generic it could pass as a game about dinosaurs or a commando stealth mission in a tropical country with WMDS CoD style.
Or WHATEVER taking a place in the jungle - on Earth. Not a familiar, yet alien, "where the hell am I?" jungle on another planet.

Maybe it's just me, but older games - heck, even just a few years older - where a lot more stylish and different from one-another. It's like almost all of them had a flavor of it's own and now it's just everything is more-or-less realistic and generic/utilitarian.

I've had a similar reaction to the idea of RoboCop remake - the new designs just look boring.

Maybe it's just nostalgia, but I feel that general creativeness in terms of designs of the characters/objects/locales in games/movies really went down during last few years (with exceptions of course). On the other hand - I love modern design as far websites, posters and printed media go.

PS. PokeMon - I've used rotations for parts of my animations too, but they didn't even bother to CLEAN IT UP  >:(

Pixel Art / Re: [WIP]Tactical Game Tileset
« on: January 20, 2013, 08:25:04 pm »

Guess it's a bit better now

Pixel Art / [WIP]Tactical Game Tileset
« on: January 20, 2013, 12:30:03 pm »
Hey guys, I'm working on a tileset for a tactical game from a typical "j-rpg" viewpoint - while I'm happy with the general look and the rendering, I'm not happy with my color choices and the water animation gives me headaches :P Here's how it looks

Here's the water animation:

I'm thinking about doing the water the simplest way - solid color fill and just some animation on the shore tiles - waving around a bit on the edge and the grounds reflection being broken out a bit

General Discussion / Re: Rendering 2d (pixel) sprites in a 3d world
« on: January 16, 2013, 10:50:13 am »
I'd also suggest that any multi-angled sprite games (that weren't pre-rendered) were essentially pixel art.  I think for Doom they actually used photos of physical models for some sprites, but even then there must've been a lot of direct pixel work happening. 

I agree (And as far as the process goes, this was exactly the case in Doom), and I think that considering them non-pixelart, is something that comes from the modern-idea of pixelart - today's limits are self-imposed, yesterday's limit's were actual hardware limits - if I could suddenly work with 256 colors instead of 16 for example, I'd do so :)

I'm sure the artist did use their tools to their full potential, and pixelart of the days used both the approach we use today and index-painting as it's called.

Quick compat between EGA and VGA (Doom Palette) - personally, I'd like to use most of the colors to make the transitions as fluid as possible and it's just tedious to do it by hand on every pixel (unless it's a specific detail part). Actually, since most of the 2,5d games had the dark-fog effect for atmosphere, and some transparency (using transparency tables) as standard, limiting the color palette would make them ugly, which obviously wasn't desired :P

Here's a sprite from Wolfenstein, drawn from scratch if you ask me.

Either way, you still have the whole character to draw.

I think most games used prerendered sprites or models, eventually with some hand touchups, because it's a bit less of a workload - pixelling a character walking, attack, pain and death frames ( I guess it's at least ~10 unique frames ) in 5/8 directions (depends if the character is symetrical) is quite a bit :) Some of the stuff can be copied and used (for example head and torso) but the rest has to be drawn in from scratch. I've animated a character like this digitally painting and it took a while :)

Bigger color palette also made it more attractive to use prerendered 3d artworks which was quite a hype back then ;) while pixelart wasn't anything special - it was a standard of working with 2d GFX back then.

Creating a 3d game with pixelart graphics, is a tremendous workload. Some examples of such projects, and what limits they've used to lighten the amount of work a bit:

Fears Amiga first person shooter - it uses pixelart for it's gfx, and of the cool amiga-style variety :) The characters are one sided though!
Gloom's enemies have more directional sprites I think, but notice they are pretty simple though.

As far as modern stuff goes, there's exactly the same two approaches:

1. Keep it simple stupid ;)

Aforementioned Minecraft, which is really simple in terms of GFX (I'd say it's even primitive, since the pixel tech used for it's GFX is pretty low-level)

Or the idea of totally oldschool, 8-bit console look - for example the MegaMan 8Bit Deathmatch:

Lower res sprites, color limits - you can finish your sprites a lot quicker

2. Establish some kinds of limits - either directions or the amount of frames in animation:
Retroblazer - uses single direction for it's enemies, judging from what I've seen (correct me if I'm wrong!)
(Oh and not everything is pixelart there, IIRC)

General Discussion / Re: Read the Rules, then introduce yourself here.
« on: January 06, 2013, 11:49:05 am »

I've went posting without introducing myself, so here I am, better late than never ;)

I'm Cage, I'm 22 and I come from Poland. My first creative activity I've really got into was making games (The Games Factory at first), and well, every game needs art, right? ;) This way I've discovered pixel art (which turns out, up to that point, my gfx was mostly pixel art, but I didn't have a clue it is ;)). In general, that was my first art themed activity, so it was a rough start. What was great about it then, was the small size of the sprites - with some trial and error I could get at least acceptable results which was motivating and I kept doing more. :) Soon I've discovered that progress in pixel art made my traditional drawing a bit better, and I've started drawing a bit more. However, as far as quality goes, my expectations where way beyond my ability and I quickly got disheartened - I've sidetracked into design and motion graphics but I've got back into drawing soon. Few drawing classes I've had and some artbooks changed the way I've approached it and well, since then I'm seeing progress ;) I didn't regularly practice before 2012, though. Last year I've decided that I would like to be a illustrator and/or a full-time game artist - 2013 is another year of working my arse off towards this goal ;)

While I'm not doing any pixel art at the moment, it's something that has a very warm place in my heart ;) I plan to get back into regular pixelling once I work a bit more on the general art principles though!

2D & 3D / Re: Help with high res pixel art
« on: January 06, 2013, 11:18:23 am »
Tim hits the nail on the head here. :)

Personally, the bigger the artwork, the less I recommend pixel art, since it's more time consuming and increases your workload. This is from my experience, but I'm sure I still don't have enough practice and it's possible to work a lot faster than I do. :) Either way, if you're digital painting the, or doing vectors of smaller game gfx pixel art principles are very helpful - especially with readability.

Straying away from the style and tools used for the artwork you've said something about having a hard time doing a character without a base - no matter, if you have problems with just drawing the character or the actual rendering, this is something where general art knowledge and practice comes in and I'm afraid this is something you can't jump over. Don't be discouraged though, it's not some mystical secret knowledge available to the limited few - they are more of a principles which you should follow, and practice a lot. Look for some art books, there are some which are available for free since they're out of print etc. Once you have the access to the principles, only thing what's left is practice ;) both from your imagination and real life. A good idea how things work in real life - like shading, anatomy, augment your art tremendously, even stylized or cartoon art.

You've specifically mentioned characters - how about you start with some characters from the game you like and disassemble them? What 3d blocks are they made of? How light behaves on those blocks? What colors are used?

General Discussion / Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
« on: December 31, 2012, 07:17:13 pm »
I've had good year and I've hope it was great for you guys too! I'm very happy I've finally managed to get into regular drawing schedule this year - I'm looking forward to the next!

Happy, creative and successful 2013, everybody!

Pixel Art / Re: Amature-Novice seeking Shading Help
« on: December 31, 2012, 07:09:30 pm »
As far as pixel tech goes: The outline of the skin parts, using the darker skin tone, create a lot of banding. What's banding? Read about it here The double pixel lines on the top of the look weird in addition to creating banding. You might want to experiment with your lines - because of the nature of pixelart, not all angular lines look good - depending on the angle. Two ways to tackle it - either try a different angle or soften it with AA (anti aliasing - the previous link covers pixel art specific hand made anti aliasing).

If you have trouble with shading objects, I recommend you read about about construction - in drawing and in art in general. This will help you with both shading and with getting a feel of 3dness ;)

In general this works like this - think about the thing you want to portray - with what spatial forms can you 'build' it?

Here's a page from Andrew Loomis' Successful Drawing Book:

If you know what shapes your object is "made of" and you know how the light will behave on them - you should know how to shade it ;)

As far as your character goes - you could detail the ear a bit - if you want to keep it cartoon, you could go the MLP route and just add a line there - in case of a human ear, a line would just give a general idea of the tragus and helix (I hope those are the right names). Also, I find the "lidless" eyes a bit too weird. Just add ridge above the eye and you should be all set. Despite doing a stylized character, check out some photo reference.

Pixel Art / Re: New Mockup (Yes another) WIP
« on: December 31, 2012, 06:43:15 pm »
Try to not worry about unsatisfactory results - remember, that even a crappy or unfinished picture means more progress than doing nothing at all ;)

I hope you don't abandon pixelart and art in general, good luck on your next pieces!

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