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Pixel Art / Re: (WIP) RPG NPCs
« on: October 06, 2012, 09:30:47 am »
Hope this help with slime..
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Pixel Art Feature Chest / Re: Autumn Tileset WIP - Struggling with Rock texture
« on: October 04, 2012, 12:52:41 pm »Wall? Imo I Does not look like wall at all.. Its 1 part of the cliff.. http://www.creativeuncut.com/gallery-17/dq6-town-concept1.html Dragon quest have little bit sames style rock that I have.Yep, sorry. I didn't meant wall as in "human-crafted piling of carefully selected rocks" but just as in "something that stands in the way, that goes high". just because (afaik) "cliff" could go both up or down depending on the side you are.
Okay I now understand better
Anyway, I feel like it's time for me to step back a little from this thread: I don't want to divert you away from pixel art by what looks like endless argueing (and is mostly me poorly picking my words/examples).
Thats okay
I still have a bit more difficult to understand because My english is not the best.. there are a lot of new words and I have learned many new words and good example is cliff xD.. CLiff is a new word for me.
Little update: Are the bottom now better than older?
New tree leaf.. Im going to use small and the big one.
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Pixel Art Feature Chest / Re: Autumn Tileset WIP - Struggling with Rock texture
« on: October 04, 2012, 10:30:56 am »I thought about something like that when looking at the lofty mountain map, and then I interprete them as<-
such a high wall to climb up!
Wall? Imo I Does not look like wall at all.. Its 1 part of the cliff.. http://www.creativeuncut.com/gallery-17/dq6-town-concept1.html Dragon quest have little bit sames style rock that I have.
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such a deep hole on my way... Is there a bridge nearby to go on the other side ?
In other term, the darker area is more easily read as a hole than as an obstacle.
Hole really? New darker cliff looks more like a darker obstacle than hole to me.. I really dont see huge black hole there. If cliff is huge you cannot make whole cliff without darker lower part. Of course you can but It does not look realistic... or I'm wrong
(okay, it requires more tweaking that my quickly-fried edit, clearly)
That is pretty mess i really dont ike that..
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Pixel Art Feature Chest / Re: Autumn Tileset WIP - Struggling with Rock texture
« on: October 04, 2012, 05:27:23 am »You should decrease gloss and the amount of light at the bottom of the cliff. It should get darker when descending.
Something like this
Imo thats looks much much better and realistic.. I love it more than the shiny one.
I don't know, I think you might be dwelling on things that ought not be dwelled on. What you have already seems pretty solid as far as aesthetics go, and adding more detail may just make it seem too busy and a stark contrast to the style you have already set with the rest of the work. Is there any reason you want to go for something more detailed?
Reason why I wantend to make more detailed rocks is beacause old one was too shiny
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Pixel Art Feature Chest / Re: Autumn Tileset WIP - Struggling with Rock texture
« on: October 03, 2012, 06:37:51 pm »Little update: New Rock color!! Better?
Really nice improvements here all round, despite your protestations earlier that you preferred a simpler style this is becoming really rather lush and naturalistic.
thank you.. I really dont know how to make pretty looking simple rock texture that would fit my background..The horizontal tiling shown earlier looks a bit awkward for squeezing in smaller pieces towards the join. Also, having grey stand-alone rocks next to brown rock-faces is a bit strange in terms of continuity. I'd consider the grey for the cliffs also, because there's already a lot of brown in play, but again it's best to see how it works as a scene.
Ahh that was a sketch ... I wantend only show more cliff look rock and im going to fix those thing later..
New rocks look great technique-wise, it is quite hard to see how it'll work as an overhead view cliff without the surrounding tileset though, I would try roughing things out with place-holder tiles whilst working, in order to avoid potential issues.
Im really stuck now.. My new rocks looks very shiny and large and I want make more detailed and realistic rock but i dont know how make them more detailed... As you
can see this part, I get inspiration from Chrono trigger rock mountain.. Can I mix them with my other rocks? Or should i Make every rock with same style?
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Pixel Art Feature Chest / Re: Autumn Tileset WIP - Struggling with Rock texture
« on: October 02, 2012, 04:45:54 pm »if you look at the bottom half, of this lofty mountain map, it has the "Mt Tamarrach" layout, with large vertical walls. You will note that chunks of rocks here are aligned in one direction (vertical), and the base of each "spike" could be going further down "behind" the "lower" spikes.
E.g. imho, working fromgives it more a "cliff" look.
But most of rpg game rock have that Mt Tamarrach layout and Im going to make it as well and my old one have it too..
random directions is fine because it does not matter where you put these cracks
That's true for random pile of rocks that had cracks from random reasons.
If instead you want to render a cliff -- a large part of rock that for some reason had been extruded from the ground by some geological process -- then the rocks are initially part of the same strata, cristals are laid out along one major direction, and the eroding force (wind, sand, water, mana ...) is likely to blow along one major direction, exploiting inherent weakness of the cristals to fracture the structures, hence lower diversity in the cracks orientation.
cwill always have certain direction
Now, of course, this only make sense if you aim for that type of terrain
I tough that rock can crack on all direction.. If thats true then It does not matter if i make random cracks..
Tiny update:: Now the flat texture looks more like a cliff.. Im trying now reduce some highlight... oH Dam is this double post??
It was a double post. - Crow
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Pixel Art Feature Chest / Re: Autumn Tileset WIP - Struggling with Rock texture
« on: October 02, 2012, 09:45:51 am »Imho, the new version is indeed better, but I think you overdid the cracks. Having them on almost every stone is a bit extreme, and you used random directions, too.
Yeah I agree.. There is too much cracks but random directions is fine because it does not matter where you put these cracks and I really think i must also lower the constrast.. Imo it is too bright..
Imho, this rock texture could do well in most terrains, but if you're going for a level "à la Mt. Tamaranch", they will not work. Rationale is that, on a regular terrain with small (<6m) cliffs, noone would be surprised if rocks have piled up following the slope. In a mountain, the rocks that remain are supposed to be firmly connected with the core of the mountain.
Is this Mt.tamaranch level? Its seems like its work even with these rocks..
http://www.vgmaps.com/Atlas/SuperNES/SecretOfMana-LoftyMountains.png
http://www.vgmaps.com/Atlas/SuperNES/Terranigma-Loire-EastSub-Area.png
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Pixel Art Feature Chest / Re: Autumn Tileset WIP - Struggling with Rock texture
« on: October 02, 2012, 06:31:32 am »
So is there something wrong? I did not understand well but I have seen in a lot snes game rocks with pile of rocks.. Example Secret of mana, Terranigma...
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Pixel Art Feature Chest / Re: Autumn Tileset WIP - Struggling with Rock texture
« on: October 01, 2012, 07:30:34 pm »
Its going to look like this..
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Pixel Art Feature Chest / Re: Autumn Tileset WIP - Struggling with Rock texture
« on: October 01, 2012, 06:21:54 pm »The orientation of things seems all over the place. I really can't tell if I'm looking at a wall, floor or a mix of both here.
It is one of wall texture thats why its looks like a floor/wall now... When i make corners and foliage it is going to look more like rock..