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General Discussion / Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
« on: August 19, 2008, 06:14:52 am »
Also, has anyone seen this?  is it a joke?
http://www.gaming-age.com/cgi-bin/previews/preview.pl?sys=wii&game=castlevania_judgment
No joke. It's real. Which is a shame, because I'd much prefer a standard Castlevania platformer on my Wii.

id like to think im an original, like all those dumbasses in the mcdonald's commercial
im really barely influenced by any socially transmitted ideas and they definitely dont make up the bulk of my personality
That seems like sort of a naive thought to me. All ideas are culturally transmitted. I'm of the belief that nobody comes up with anything completely on their own, but instead by simply mixing up the ideas and things around them. Just because you can't identify your cultural influences doesn't mean that they don't exist. Any holidays that you celebrate and all of the words that you use are culturally based. The meals you eat and your daily routine are based on culture. Your personality is displayed by your actions. Culture also includes things picked up from friends. Expressions you may use, habits you have, your ideals, and so on. It isn't exactly national culture, but it is culture, and it is exactly the same thing. Nature and nurture are the two things that make up all people, so if it's not in your genes, then you picked it up from somewhere. That somewhere is your cultural surroundings. Culture is simply a word to describe the generalized thoughts, feelings, and actions of a particular group.

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Pixel Art / Re: Animated Rabbit
« on: August 15, 2008, 01:00:39 am »
I like the image. For a first pixel-art it is quite good.

I think that the front paws should push back a bit further. Also, you might want to consider making the ears more dynamic, since ears that big a bound to be at least a bit floppy.

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Pixel Art / Re: 16x16 Robots
« on: August 13, 2008, 07:50:13 am »
These are great! I love the colours. Pixel Day got me in a similar sort of mood but I couldn't figure out what I really wanted to make. Good idea.

I don't really have anything to criticize, although I do hope that you plan on eventually animating the last six.

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Challenges & Activities / Re: PIXEL ART DAY, STAGE 2!!!
« on: August 11, 2008, 08:13:41 pm »
More!

Hold on. Are we allowed to do that? Because I'd gladly make more as well.

Also, there seem to be a couple of tiny cutoff issues. Both Fatalis67's first picture (the brick wall) and Emtech's last one (the cleft) are only 15x16's. Don't bother asking how I noticed this.

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General Discussion / Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
« on: August 11, 2008, 09:51:47 am »
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For this reason, agnostics are usually broken down into agnostic-theists (people who acknowledge that their absolute faith in god is irrational), atheist-agnostics (people who acknowledge that their absolute faith against god is irrational, like me), and undecided agnostics.
Actually all agnostics are not theists. The ones that are not sure of this God thing are 'weak agnostics' and the ones that are very very close to certain that they can't exist are 'strong' ones. If there's a person that has an absolute faith in god, whether they give you that it is irrational or not, are some kind of theist, by definition.

True, but I was under the impression that the "agnostic-" tag could be appended onto any religion of any person as long as they believed in the unprovability of any single standpoint (e.g.: agnostic-Christian, agnostic-Muslim, etc).


chris:

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I love video games, so I'm clearly biased, but I like to see them as a sum of their parts. A good video game (to me) is some nice music, good story, excellent artwork, and a decent challenge all rolled into one nice, neat package. That's just my point of view though. Just out of curiosity, what do you think about books and movies? I'm curious as to where other people draw the line and why. I guess it sort of boils down to the "is it art?" argument, doesn't it? I know that Roger Ebert believes that video games can't be art simply because they're interactive, but I never really understood why that should matter.

I guess by 'art' people mean 'does it affect me emotionally and spiritually on a higher level than super mario world?' and that's alright yeah. Well... a few games do that, sure. Not most of them around. They are not 'art' in that sense because their focus is on gameplay, and gameplay is a simulacrum for HUNTING and KILLING PREY. Do you think it's 'artistic' when an animal in the wild kills to eat? We are animals, we are made to hunt and kill even if in the last 5,000 years we don't do as much as we once did. We still have those instincts, and they need to be addressed in some benign way, so we manufacture fields in which to excel and be the 'Alpha males' and these aren't only sports and videogames, they are also fields of academia and even musical subcultures etc. People are antagonistic because that is how you survive. In these terms (and they are terms you would do well to integrate into your system of understanding the world) a great book, let's say 'Crime and Punishment' is so INFINITELY, EXTREMELY more layered and deep and resonant and meaningful and spiritually elevating than 99.9999% of videogames. Videogames are a very early medium and the people that make them care more about simulated killing than exciting the spirit. So there's some truth in what Ebert says.

That I can definitely understand, and I can agree with. So interpreting from what you said, videogames certainly CAN be art, but the majority of them are not because they are simply designed to satisfy our primal desires to hunt. Completely understandable. I assume that this also rules out games that are designed around objectives like survival. I guess if you really want to work away at it, almost any conceivable objective can be tied to a basic instinct, although some of these ties would be slightly more tenuous then others (Katamari Damacy = Greed? Or am I trying to hard?). I guess the next question could be whether or not a game is art if it has no objective and minimal control over the ending, like Jason Rohrer's "Passage" (http://hcsoftware.sourceforge.net/passage/) or other arthouse-style games?
Also, this brings up another question. Ebert argues that movies are art (of course, since he is a film critic) but is a movie that satisfies similar desires without interactivity still art? For example, many movies have a villain that the person watching is intentionally meant to hate. Is the scene in which he falls to an untimely death "art", since it is usually created chiefly for the purpose of satisfying the part of the viewer that wanted him to die? I'm mainly taking about adrenaline-fueled action movies like "Die Hard", where there is no extra meaning behind it.

Oh, and apperently Ebert refined his view, saying that games could be art, but not high art. It's a fairly interesting read: http://rogerebert.suntimes.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20070721/COMMENTARY/70721001

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General Discussion / Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
« on: August 11, 2008, 05:59:45 am »
BIG POST WARNING!

... I wonder, could I apply that logic to video games, too?

Not really, imo, in that most videogames present a rather unhealthy way to spend time and have the player completely absorbed in attaining some nonexistant (or inconsequential) goal.  Music, on the other hand, is often a social, human force.  Although there's certainly plenty of music that involves wasting time and isolating yourself, i don't think that's the sort of thing they were talking about.  Also, although some games do encourage social interaction, its mostly a perverted form, in the sense of mmos, or an unnecessary form, in the case of party games.

I used to play a lot of videogames, from RPGs to RTS to MMO to FPS and i consider that - essentially - a waste of my life.  It gave me a place to hide but little else.  Again, not to say that people don't sit in their room alone and waste their lives trancing out to music, but that's not to be recommended either.
I love video games, so I'm clearly biased, but I like to see them as a sum of their parts. A good video game (to me) is some nice music, good story, excellent artwork, and a decent challenge all rolled into one nice, neat package. That's just my point of view though. Just out of curiosity, what do you think about books and movies? I'm curious as to where other people draw the line and why. I guess it sort of boils down to the "is it art?" argument, doesn't it? I know that Roger Ebert believes that video games can't be art simply because they're interactive, but I never really understood why that should matter.

I do relate somewhat, with the idea that atheism is empty. Mostly because when I have asked basic philosophical questions to people who declare they are "atheists" they just dont care. Because.....simply that is something that is not engaged in everyday life, and it doesnt deserve any thought, the purpose of being is irrelevant because hey...I dont have time for that, I got to get my paycheck.

Most religious people, dont care either. They believe they already have the answers. Why? because the religous leader said this and that, and it's very clear in passage number xxxx and xxxx.

So what I really have a pickle with, is not really either of the perspectives.But with the fact that they both have in common, that the very purpose of things, doesnt deserve any thought or investigation.
I always considered religion and philosophy to be two entirely separate things in that respect. Extreme theists may throw these sort of questions away because they think that they know all of the answers already, but otherwise it seems to be more a matter of curiosity, which I think is completely independent from most religious views. Everybody has at least some sort of sway towards either atheism or theism, so if you can have a philosophical discussion with anyone then it can't be completely related.

...and animals who THINK they understand what created them and know how they got here: But we don't, and never will. This knowledge isn't attainable, as cynical as it may sound, and our willingness to keep striving for more answers only leads to more questions. Obviously the previous description is silly thinking, as God may not exist, or may be some pig-snake creature somewhere. Point is, I don't know. No body knows. So it'd be nice if we stopped acting like we knew and just lived our lives with one another.
That's the basic premise of agnosticism as I tried to describe it earlier, although I think that you summed it up better.

   Thing about religion is, it's a good way for one to live in social, civilized life with others. Taking it literally word for word is non-sense in my opinion; but I'm ok with people living their lives this way, as long as it doesn't involve "recruiting" others to join them. THAT is effin' annoying.
Seconded.

I've often heard the argument from atheists that religion is just a big cancer or something that wants to convert the whole world to its singular belief or something. What I don't get is why then, has every atheist I've encountered tried to convince me that God does not exist. I've never tried to "convert" anyone or convince them that my faith and way of life is the right way or the only way. Maybe that makes me a worse Christian for it, not spreading the word, (I'll explain my best if someone asks, but I'm not gonna go out of my way to be like "believe, mudda fukka!") but it doesn't explain why atheists (the ones I've met) argue that religion is just a way of controlling the masses or something, and then they go and try to convert me to their way of thinking. I mean, wtf? You're gonna say religion is bs and then try to convert me to nonreligion? I don't see the difference between a religious leader vehemently arguing against science and a scientist adamantly arguing against religion. They're both trying to convince people that their truth is truth, or at least truthier than the other's truth. So like, religion can be used as a vehicle for power but so then can science, really.
I try not to try to convert people because I recognize that they are the exact same thing. Atheists generally believe that they have a greater right to try and convert you because they base things only off of observation, but an agnostic recognizes that "knowing" that there is no god is impossible, and hence that atheism is almost or just as faith-based as any other religion (that's right, atheism is still a religion).


...I think that about covers all of my thoughts at the moment.

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General Discussion / Re: Official Off-Topic Thread
« on: August 10, 2008, 10:02:28 pm »
I'm agnostic, but being agnostic doesn't mean I'd give a fifty-fifty chance for the existence of God, it's more like.. a very low chance in favour of anything supernatural in my case, but I'm willing to be proven wrong. So I consider the Christian God as unlikely as any other deity human kind has ever believed in.
I'm an agnostic, but lately I've noticed that most people slightly misunderstand the definition of agnosticism. To my knowledge, the true definition is that an agnostic is someone who believes that the existence of a god is something that cannot be proven or disproven. The idea behind this is that any evidence of a deity could possibly be broken down and described by conventional science, while any evidence against a god could have been divinely placed there. For this reason, agnostics are usually broken down into agnostic-theists (people who acknowledge that their absolute faith in god is irrational), atheist-agnostics (people who acknowledge that their absolute faith against god is irrational, like me), and undecided agnostics.

I've often found that a lot of religious folk seem to think that atheism seems like a sad, empty way to live, but I really disagree with that. I always thought that the idea that this sort of universe could arise by chance is even more elegant than a belief system that requires some sort of plan behind it all. It's beautiful, really.

I also like to see it this way: http://xkcd.com/167/ (I've actually had a very similar conversation with a friend once)

   I'm no moderator here, and I apologize if it felt like I was stepping on toes when suggesting it. And yes, I'm American, born and raised, and I REFUSE to believe that it's just U.S.A., whose religions make people uncomfortable to speak about en mass, regarding subjects like this.
I can't speak for any other parts in the world, but people here in Canada also often get pretty uncomfortable speaking about religion. That said, I'm also one of the people who enjoys this sort of conversation.

Talking of artsy and pretentious, I have a blog up! Johnnyspade (used to be Skurwy) is helping be translate my comics into english and slowly upload them all. Might be worth to read, perhaps to RSS!

Asides-Bsides

Come over, comment! I will be updating regularily.
I actually quite like it. The "Meet Babis" one in particular.

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Challenges & Activities / Re: PIXEL ART DAY, STAGE 2!!!
« on: August 09, 2008, 12:34:21 am »
Here's mine:



This is awesomely fun.

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Pixel Art / Re: Square dude
« on: August 06, 2008, 09:32:17 pm »
His distant leg is thicker than than the near one. Also, if you're going to make arms and legs that small, they could use a bit of extra detail. Right now they're so small that they almost just look like imperfections in a very bumpy sphere.

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General Discussion / Re: Megaman 9 with 8-bit graphics
« on: August 06, 2008, 09:18:23 pm »
But that's the thing now. Do you think anyone would be even one iota less excited for this game if it looked like Megaman 6 or better? Or would they be more excited? Buuuut... which is the easier one to make, and which will generate more instant nostalgia sales?

Point taken, and I definitely agree. I guess the only other point that can be made is that graphics always get better later in the cycle, so maybe the team figured that the simpler it looks, the more retro it feels? That seems like a pretty crappy excuse though.

my only real fear - and it might not be the popular fear on this board - will the GAME be as good as the old ones?  AND - in an age where everyone has emulators and other stuff that already lets them play the old ones for free - what is this game doing to make it worth buying?

I honestly think it's going to end up as collector's item because after the first few thousand people will realize that it's nothing that they didn't have before, and that it was made with half the love.
I'm pretty sure that it will be as good as the old ones. The Megaman formula doesn't seem to be something that you can mess up too much, especially if you're trying to keep it as close to the original as possible. Even so, this will probably end up as a collector's item simply because a retro-styled game like this doesn't seem like something with the mass appeal of some other titles.

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