More straw-man arguments. I pointed out critique has limitations that’s all. YOU extrapolated it because there is actually nothing wrong with what I said. I’ll say it again in case you didn’t get it the first time.

Great drawings requires focus. Input from too many users (with different ideas about what the piece should be about) is a detriment to the piece. Avoiding doing bad things is not the same as making great drawings. Great drawings can still have mistakes! http://insomnia.ac/essays/on_criticism/

Why point out these obvious facts? Because people talk about critique like it’s magic.

“We work in an atmosphere of serious art critique, where other members are encouraged to deconstruct and reconstruct work.

All this has elevated the medium we use over the years and resulted in a whole slew of improvements.”

Yes I do have something better to do with my time  . Like smoke pot, feed my cats and deal with highschool exam flashbacks.

‘So what you think is or isn't "FUN and EXCITING and DYNAMIC" has to be the same for everybody?’
Isn’t that what you call an ad-hominine? Instead of addressing the point Steve made, which is that theory can get in the way of fun drawings, you say ‘Steve’s a nazi’.

‘But to close this, the main point of this forum is to help people get better with pixelart, the craft.’
So draw (or link to) a picture which replicates some good features of Simon the Sorcerer (and where the method is set out). None of the feel good history lesson and labelling of DP prior to Steve’s comments relate to the forum goal either.

‘In contrast, wouldn't someone who wants to be considered a fine artist ... have more motivation to avoid theoretical interpretations?’
Not unless they are a poor artist and need to prop up their art with a wordy explanations.

‘Wouldn't a graphic designer ... just adopt the theory’
Not unless the theory is bollocks that can’t be applied. For example, claiming that a person’s drawings will look like themselves because it is a "subconscious process" says nothing and justifies poor drawings.

Yes STE, what are these cobblers? Please detail your cobbles. I’ll give an example to help you out:

“Everything in Deluxe Paint is appropriate for pixel art simply because nothing more advanced could be done at the time, not by design;”

Is a cobbler because:

More advanced programs for photo manipulation came out before Deluxe Paint 4.5 (which versions are we talking about, all of them?):

http://www.atarimagazines.com/compute/issue90/Reviews_Digi-Paint_For_Amiga.php

DP4.5 had advanced non pixel art features such as Ham support, shade and perspective tools.

DP was made by EA and used to make EA games (such as Budokan). You could argue that it was designed for this and making game art with 32 colors corresponds to ‘pixel purity’.

Or is it ALL cobbles?

Are you saying a generation of people living without computer restrictions and not making computer drawings for a living cannot understand the perspective of a generation who worked within real restrictions to make money? Or are you suggesting that the cobbles is part of a deliberate misunderstanding (similar to Harold Bloom’s analysis of poets):

http://thesatirist.com/books/anxiety_of_influence.html

i didnt want to mess up a job thread but there was a question of what is a fair price it was interesting what was said compared to the desperation i see on deviant job forum. two different markets. people there declare their interest moreso and you can see the quality of their work by clicking on their avatar. have u ever thought there are inefficiencies in the pixel art market that could be removed if there was more transparency not only in the 'bidding' process but the completion of projects?

everytime someone like josh astorian allegedly takes money and runs that is money you could have earnt. also instead of the make believe karma system here based on manners (josh is 0  ), will these burnt buyers be more difficult to deal with in future? or maybe they drop out of market altogether.

is the rate u get paid fair? are their less skilled people being paid more?

could a record of how long u took to complete a project help u with procrastination? see if u need to work more efficiently? would it make it easier to ask for help or tips if the details have already been said?

can u think of other problems you encounter? would a non mandatory 'big brother' forum where there is a paper trail about what was negotiated, a sample of the assets produced (watermarked), the rates charged, time it took to complete help at all? give ur feedback and state if u are a buyer, artist or neither.

Ive said all i want im an artist not a buyer.

no as u would not learn anatomy which is the point. but have you thought about what the finished piece would look like. will you just have a lady looking at dagger with feathers on transparent background ( bit boring ) or will you have a scene of some sort? if u r going for the scene then do a rough version (the rip is there only to save u time)