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Mockup [WIP]

on: February 10, 2009, 06:36:08 pm
for an MFGG compo.

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Re: Mockup [WIP]

Reply #1 on: February 11, 2009, 05:11:45 am
Hellooooooooo?

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Re: Mockup [WIP]

Reply #2 on: February 11, 2009, 05:22:38 am
The sprites are too big man, you have no room for maneuverability and level design.

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Re: Mockup [WIP]

Reply #3 on: February 11, 2009, 05:23:35 am
I'm making it like a fighting game or something.

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Re: Mockup [WIP]

Reply #4 on: February 11, 2009, 05:24:48 am
Well the title said mockup and all you had on the image was a bone bowser with a leg growing out of his stomach since it's not far back enough.
His back hand is also hard to make out and his spikes are not in perspetive to his shell.
The body however I do really like, and his skull.

I'm not sure what the ground is supposed to be, marble? stone? marblestones?

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Re: Mockup [WIP]

Reply #5 on: February 11, 2009, 02:13:36 pm
Uhh, his leg does come out of his stomach.. But I'll get on the rest. Also, its supposed to be one of the towers in Bowser's Castle.
edit: just have to add the rain and HUD.
« Last Edit: February 11, 2009, 03:14:20 pm by Tuna Unleashed »

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Re: Mockup [WIP]

Reply #6 on: February 11, 2009, 10:01:05 pm
You should always post your references..

Anyways, I'd say you should make the ground more readable, and edit the wall so it 'pops' a bit more, shade/highlights on each brick.

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Re: Mockup [WIP]

Reply #7 on: February 11, 2009, 10:04:17 pm
He is way off balance. His legs are coming horizontally out of his stomach while he looks as though he is leaning backwards. He needs to lean INTO his legs, while his legs support him from under. If you get what I'm saying.

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Re: Mockup [WIP]

Reply #8 on: February 11, 2009, 10:11:40 pm
I suggest making the saturation of the purple sky less..

It stands out too much, and conflicts a lot with mario.

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Re: Mockup [WIP]

Reply #9 on: February 12, 2009, 02:00:48 am

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Re: Mockup [WIP]

Reply #10 on: February 12, 2009, 02:20:58 am
Uhh, his leg does come out of his stomach.
Did you actually just say that?
Um I believe his leg comes out of his HIP but in yours his leg comes out of his stomach.

Your bowsper sprite has a lot of perspective issues due to the referencing.
And since you have bowsers foot going down past the frame it's only natural that marios dows the same.

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Re: Mockup [WIP]

Reply #11 on: February 12, 2009, 02:47:51 am
Bowser has hips?! But I'll fix the mario thing. I dont get the perspective thing though. Hes facing the screen more but I dont see why thats a problem.

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Re: Mockup [WIP]

Reply #12 on: February 12, 2009, 02:58:14 am
Um, most things with legs do?

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Re: Mockup [WIP]

Reply #13 on: February 12, 2009, 03:13:10 am
do you see any hips on dry bowser pics?

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Re: Mockup [WIP]

Reply #14 on: February 12, 2009, 03:19:30 am
I think the question is, do you?  ???

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Re: Mockup [WIP]

Reply #15 on: February 12, 2009, 03:35:11 am
No, all I see is a turtle skeleton with a spiky shell, a surprisingly malleable skull, and a body made of giant circular ribs.

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Re: Mockup [WIP]

Reply #16 on: February 12, 2009, 04:10:58 am
It still looks strange though. Even though you don't see a hip it should be assumed to assure that he operates properly.

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Re: Mockup [WIP]

Reply #17 on: February 12, 2009, 06:33:21 am
in the ref pictures the stance is more hunched forwards, and the legs come out from the hole between the two last ribs, instead of the second to last rib.

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Re: Mockup [WIP]

Reply #18 on: February 12, 2009, 11:21:49 am
Honnestly, i don't see ribs. I see the bottom of his shell. Ribs, hips and stuff are supposed to be in the shell, aren't they ?

(oh, and since he's an undead bowser, we have a ghost in the shell.  :D heh heh  :blind: heh :crazy: erhm.   :-X )

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Re: Mockup [WIP]

Reply #19 on: February 12, 2009, 03:31:07 pm
yes, it's a shell..and no there's not even any semblance of correct anatomy here, but we think there's atleast the use of posture to emulate one.

There's no "ribs" per se, but in this skeleton version there's gaps between each of the rows in Bowser's shell unlike in his normal 3D model, therefore since this is supposed to be emulating a skeleton, we asume the intention is to signify ribs instead of a shell.
« Last Edit: February 13, 2009, 08:12:44 pm by Conceit »

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Re: Mockup [WIP]

Reply #20 on: February 12, 2009, 11:46:57 pm
Fixed those problems and added rain (25% opacity if it matters)

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Re: Mockup [WIP]

Reply #21 on: February 13, 2009, 12:01:59 am
You've fixed no problems as far as I've seen.
Bowsers leg is way too many pixels to the left and is still protruding out of his stomach by the tiniest joint I've ever seen.
How hard is this honestly to fix?

Your ground, first off has tumors, it doesnt read as ground very well it seems thin since their feet have a different perspective.
Your ground is flat and should tuck behind them upwards to add depth.

Get rid of the visual boy advanced shit.

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Re: Mockup [WIP]

Reply #22 on: February 13, 2009, 12:49:17 am
Get rid of the visual boy advanced shit.

And you should lose the attitude. Here's a strike.

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Re: Mockup [WIP]

Reply #23 on: February 13, 2009, 04:58:50 am
You've fixed no problems as far as I've seen.
Bowsers leg is way too many pixels to the left and is still protruding out of his stomach by the tiniest joint I've ever seen.
How hard is this honestly to fix?
I moved it way to the right for one thing. If I moved it any more his leg would be portruding out of thin air. also, the bones are all based on his design so I really dont know why your attacking me on having improper bone structure when this is bowser we're talking about. His skull is fused together and he can still completely move it for pete's sake. Its not going to be realistic.
Your ground, first off has tumors, it doesnt read as ground very well it seems thin since their feet have a different perspective.
Your ground is flat and should tuck behind them upwards to add depth.
this I can fix. The ground prolly shouldn't have bumps anyway as this is a tower
Get rid of the visual boy advanced shit.
why?
Edit: done
« Last Edit: February 13, 2009, 06:01:21 am by Tuna Unleashed »

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Re: Mockup [WIP]

Reply #24 on: February 13, 2009, 07:55:08 am
Meh, I'll take a strike to prove him wrong.

The problem with the mockup having the menu at the top is it's really distracting.
You have everything outside of the screen, but none of it put together without anything around it, so it's hard to focus on the mockup.
Or at least for me I find it distracting.

Your problem is your drawing straight from your reference and not creating your own sprite from it.
There for you're perspective is all wrong for a platformer.


As I said and will now spot out to you, his leg is being held on by the tiniest joint ever.
Move the leg on the left not the one on the right. :/
And doesn't he have a tail?

I also don't quite understand why there are stones on the top of this wall.
« Last Edit: February 13, 2009, 08:00:21 am by Souly »

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Re: Mockup [WIP]

Reply #25 on: February 13, 2009, 03:01:33 pm
Meh, I'll take a strike to prove him wrong.

The problem with the mockup having the menu at the top is it's really distracting.
You have everything outside of the screen, but none of it put together without anything around it, so it's hard to focus on the mockup.
Or at least for me I find it distracting.

Your problem is your drawing straight from your reference and not creating your own sprite from it.
There for you're perspective is all wrong for a platformer.


As I said and will now spot out to you, his leg is being held on by the tiniest joint ever.
Move the leg on the left not the one on the right. :/
And doesn't he have a tail?

I also don't quite understand why there are stones on the top of this wall.
First off, its not a platformer. Its a fighting game (many fighting games have characters with 3/4 views).
I'll try and fix the rest
Edit:
« Last Edit: February 13, 2009, 03:06:24 pm by Tuna Unleashed »

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Re: Mockup [WIP]

Reply #26 on: February 13, 2009, 04:12:52 pm
The thing that stands out to me the most is the rim light. My opinion is that these sprites are too small for the rim light to be effective. It just comes off as an error; especially in the case of Mario.
For this effect to ( possibly ) work in your favor: Create a new key light somewhere in space in the direction the character is looking but slightly above. Dim significantly your current key so that it can work as your fill. This will help you to bring out the volumes more and the characters should be that much more readable. If all of this sounds absurd then simply remove the extraneous rim lighting and focus on creating better volumes with the lighting setup you've got left.

As a mockup this is pretty servile; merely following the 2d Mario formula without adding any of your own flair. I do like that you've redone Mario in your own pen. Unfortunately, it's the only element that feels creative. Apart from the resultant arguement, I can't imagine that you've invested a tremendous amount of time into this. With that, I suggest a fresh start with the current iteration of Mario as a base for the kind of distention and stylisation that will make this a piece worth your time and creative effort and also showcase for your abilities.
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Re: Mockup [WIP]

Reply #27 on: February 13, 2009, 06:05:42 pm
first of all, the compo is over. Second, you're recommending I start over and completely rethink the idea? This isn't an ongoing project or anything, its just a mockup.

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Re: Mockup [WIP]

Reply #28 on: February 13, 2009, 10:09:22 pm
I do like that you've redone Mario in your own pen

Actually I wanted to ask about that. http://www.pixeljoint.com/pixelart/7249.htm <- this in any case your reference?

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Re: Mockup [WIP]

Reply #29 on: February 13, 2009, 10:13:32 pm
No, but after I finished I realized how similar the designs are. It might've been kinda subconscious.

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Re: Mockup [WIP]

Reply #30 on: February 13, 2009, 10:58:53 pm
It's not close enough to be worrying, just wanted to ask because of the similarity.