[Novice Pixel Art]

[CrazyMLC]

As for the self-criticism bit:
I have no formal training in art, I just draw it, then I look at it and honestly try to decide 'Does what I just added in suck?'
If it does, then I try again. Trail and error, my friend, trial and error.

A good way to become your own critic is to set a goal, set a standard for yourself. How good do you want your art to be?

[micintexp]

Oi,I just ment the way they have colour it.

My shape of my tree is not based on that picture.

I have draw my last tree without watching a picture,but firstly I have hand draw it first.

But it have branches in the one I have hand draw,wich I didn't add on that tree.

If only my printer could scan I could have show you guys the trees I draw in real life and see the big diffrence I do in GG.


Edit:Oh well when I get back from school I will try to draw another tree by watching a in real life tree.

[LoTekK]

I have draw my last tree without watching a picture,but firstly I have hand draw it first.

That's really not going to help you. Use photographic reference, otherwise you'll just end up drawing what you /think/ a tree looks like, instead of an actual tree. Better yet, take your sketchbook outside, and draw some trees from real life.

[fortunato]

i think the problem is that you guys may be giving him a kind of a hard time. the value of honest criticism is like no other, yes, but you must consider patience. now im no mod here but it just seems like are being a BIT impatient with this guy; continued impatience could make him quit or give up. maybe if something you explain to him doesnt ring a bell the first time, you could try it in a different way? everybodys different. i dont want to come off as trying to sound like mother theresa or something but come on! give the guy some slack. id say hes made some great progress.
now that doesnt undermine the fact that you guys are right. micintexp... drawing is tough. and you know, maybe you are going about it the wrong way. not that theres a right way, but there are certainly not so good paths. i think what people are trying to say is stop copying other peoples artwork. this is what i used to do... i would copy other peoples comics or drawings (with outlines of course) and i would say look i can draw! this is good i guess cause a big component of drawing is to be able to copy/draw what you see onto paper (think about it... copying someone elses drawing takes a similar mechanism of mimicking than it does to copy anything else). though what you get is just a copy of someone elses work, someone elses interpretation of a real life thing. now what if i told you to go draw a real tree? like, to go outside and see a tree, and just draw it? seriously. no pixel art here, just take a paper and pen. do this. take a paper and pencil, go outside, find a tree, then draw it. do this over and over. allow it to change the way you see things... you'll see results if you do it right.
but i dunno, most of that post is bullshit lol. go here:
http://www.learn-to-draw.com/drawing-basics/
read it. do all of what it says. and really immerse yourself in this! dive in, bathe in this shit (that probably came off as really weird to you considering you must be foreign... lol). take an art class or something. be around artsy people. you will learn much faster that way. i hope this helps. just hold off on the tree for a while. im just concerned that youre not going to get the level of success you wanted (or any at all, even ) and you'll give up. and thats not what i want to happen. so go to that website and learn; just do it.

[micintexp]

The truth is I can't go to a art school untill about 3-4 years or so.

I still need to finish certain schools and reach to the required age in order to go to that school and so.

Thats why im practing it on my own.

And ye the reason I can't draw a tree because I just don't get it how it works.

Im not really getting all these comments and all.

In order for me to get to know what they mean they schould atleast build up a tree or so.

Remeber you guys are pro im not,IM still a novice more like a noob wich doesn't know anything about pixel art .

As I know pixel art is like a line art work and all.

I have read some descriptions about it.

The reason I wanted to pixel because I play 2D graphics game from byond and certain NDS games and all.

fortunato might be right in some way , the way you guys are giving me the comments doesn't let me get wat realy to do and all.

[fortunato]

i know. im sorry i wish i could really understand and connect with you better; sadly ive got some real stuff on my mind and that gets in the way of really helping you out.
my best advice i could give you now is to go to this site: http://www.learn-to-draw.com/drawing-basics/ do the exercises and you WILL improve. im sorry. i dont want you to feel alone in this drawing world of yours, i really dont! but sadly sometimes things are like this. just go to that site, do the exercises and come back. they will help, they really will. i promise. try to stay away from pixel art for just a little while, it is a bit too advanced i would say. limiting yourself to one medium (especially one like pixel art that can be all ABOUT limitations) can and will limit your growth as an artist and leave you struggling. i know youre having trouble understanding this so i understand if this is confusing. what im saying is this: stop pixel art. for a little bit. focus on DRAWING. and dont do it for me, or us; do it for YOURSELF. do what YOU want to do in drawing. go out and get some paper and a pencil and just draw. and remember, do those exercises on the webpage i showed you. and dont half ass it either! REALLY TRY, really just do them! they are important and until you realize the importance of learning the basics and drawing realistically, only then will you really be able to draw what you want and seemingly 'bend reality' with your drawings and your art. now go to that website and do what it says. then you can come back to pixel art and you'll be amazed at the improvements. until then, good luck my friend! only you have the power to really take this shit into your own hands. peace.

[Elk]

Art School

What kind of shit is this...
Do you imagine that at most art schools you learn how to do shit sculptures and pop/abstract art?
Art School doesn't help you, maybe a little but you could learn way way way faster if you found your own barriers and learn types to teach yourself, believe me...
All you need is the motivation to draw, draw, and nothing else but draw

I believe in a world of "skills" and not "titles"

You're one of these guys that tempt me to write a book again...I might really do it
Will start tomorrow with writing a description for you

[Helm]

Is motivation a thing you can just pressure yourself to summon? If you do anything enough you're bound to get better at it, I think most would agree, but a school provides a context in which one can focus what in real life is a limited amount of energy into a single doctorine, for a while. I bailed through my art school because I was displeased with the program, but the two years I spent there certainly let me focus my life in learning to draw, even if I did it on my own in the end.

So 'GET WILLPOWER, DUDE' isn't perhaps the most helpful of advice. And visiting a website that teaches drawing with a method is. Who knows.

I'm touched by fortunato's posts, but I feel in the end Pixelation isn't here to help anyone not sink to the bottom, it's here to help people who are proficient at swimming, learn to do breaststroke or some other technique, if you catch my drift.

If someone's going to give up drawing because of harsh critique, they probably are better off without it, just a thought.

[micintexp]

This thread can be closed.

I will take a break on pixel art untill I can draw a little more better in real life.

Im gonna take that site advice.


Thank You.

[fortunato]

Is motivation a thing you can just pressure yourself to summon? If you do anything enough you're bound to get better at it, I think most would agree, but a school provides a context in which one can focus what in real life is a limited amount of energy into a single doctorine, for a while. I bailed through my art school because I was displeased with the program, but the two years I spent there certainly let me focus my life in learning to draw, even if I did it on my own in the end.

So 'GET WILLPOWER, DUDE' isn't perhaps the most helpful of advice. And visiting a website that teaches drawing with a method is. Who knows.

I'm touched by fortunato's posts, but I feel in the end Pixelation isn't here to help anyone not sink to the bottom, it's here to help people who are proficient at swimming, learn to do breaststroke or some other technique, if you catch my drift.

If someone's going to give up drawing because of harsh critique, they probably are better off without it, just a thought.

def, but people ARE people, you know. and they are/can be sensitive. im just sayin, i think a big part of the best critiques is the support element too, what an artist (and any human in any field) REALLY needs. would half of us be here today if we didnt get some encouragement along the line? and who DOESNT smile when they hear a 'i really like this, keep going' or a 'youre definitely on the right track'? yes maybe we only want to hear the positives sometimes but im just saying, a balance of both is, i'd say, required in a good critique. the good is just as important as the bad, especially in a seemingly cold world like ours.
now that is, not to say, that some of us do need a reall good kick in the pants once in a while hehehe
sorry if that came off as arguing with you helm; did not mean anything of the sort. just statin my thoughts