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Nooblet Cola.

on: August 02, 2007, 11:05:23 pm
I honestly don't know what I was thinking when I left the white Background there, but I don't know how to shade this, either.  :'(
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Re: Nooblet Cola.

Reply #1 on: August 02, 2007, 11:08:25 pm
Well, giving it a try would be a start.

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Reply #2 on: August 02, 2007, 11:12:24 pm
I did, but it didn't work out as I'd like.
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Re: Nooblet Cola.

Reply #3 on: August 02, 2007, 11:16:20 pm
Well, I'm not doing it for you, here's some good tutorials:
http://derekyu.com/extras/pixel01.html
http://www.natomic.com/hosted/marks/mpat/
http://www.spriteart.com/tutorials/02_ambient_sphere.html
Learn how to do it yourself, instead of us spoon feeding you, I'm only giving you tough love because I care. ;)

Edit: Here's a good reference of coke cans: http://images.businessweek.com/ss/06/06/failures/image/coke.jpg
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Re: Nooblet Cola.

Reply #4 on: August 02, 2007, 11:40:12 pm
I did, but it didn't work out as I'd like.
Posting your attempt would be a good idea. That way we can at least tell you what you did wrong, and help you make it work out. It's what WIP threads are for, actually.

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Reply #5 on: August 03, 2007, 12:13:58 am
Well, I'm not doing it for you, here's some good tutorials:
http://derekyu.com/extras/pixel01.html
http://www.natomic.com/hosted/marks/mpat/
http://www.spriteart.com/tutorials/02_ambient_sphere.html
Learn how to do it yourself, instead of us spoon feeding you, I'm only giving you tough love because I care. ;)

Edit: Here's a good reference of coke cans: http://images.businessweek.com/ss/06/06/failures/image/coke.jpg

I'm not asking you guys to do anything for me, but I am asking for Criticism. Not only that, I've looked at all those tutorials and much more. (Including every single one in the, er, Stuffz thread!)

Oh, here:
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Re: Nooblet Cola.

Reply #6 on: August 03, 2007, 12:46:07 am
Ornust, if you present something that is not shaded, and you ask us to critique your shading, then all we can say is "probably it needs shading."  50-50 dither up the side of your line art does not constitute shading either, before you ask.  Shading (or conversely lighting) a form is a very complex process that requires thought and planning!  Here is a good tutorial that explains the basics of light and shadow in clear and simple terms:

http://www.itchstudios.com/psg/art_tut.htm

Note that it is NOT a pixel art tutorial.  That is because the problems you are having with your artwork are not related to pixel art at all.  Pixel art is just some specialized techniques that build on a full foundation of artistic skills.  Try sketching or painting a few cylinders with a semi-realistic light source, and then take a crack at pixeling it onto your can.  Then post that image back to this thread so that you can give you some pointers!

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Re: Nooblet Cola.

Reply #7 on: August 03, 2007, 01:04:28 am
I have looked at that tutorial a few times already, but I shall read a fourth time, I suppose. (I can never remember ANY of it.)  :crazy:
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Re: Nooblet Cola.

Reply #8 on: August 03, 2007, 01:31:02 am
You don't have to read the entire thing and take everything from it in mind. Just find the parts that are relevant. I'd say the images are the most important part in it. Understand them.

Also, references are helpful more often than not. You may want to check the shape of the top of your can, by the way, it's out of perspective with the rest and the sides curve a bit too much at the top compared to all other cans I've seen.

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Reply #9 on: August 03, 2007, 02:05:21 am
Gee, I just read through the whole thing again, and I've forgotten everything I've read. Except perhaps Ambience and Radiosity.
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Re: Nooblet Cola.

Reply #10 on: August 03, 2007, 02:14:11 am
You better start remembering because I might start locking. We're not here to hold your hand through developing the ability to gather and apply information.

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Re: Nooblet Cola.

Reply #11 on: August 03, 2007, 02:19:51 am
If you are reading an article 4 or 5 times without remembering it, you are not reading it correctly.  Reading for retension is an invaluable skill and pretty much a prerequisite for learning anything in a text-based environment.  I have found that this tends to stem from one broad issue - not caring about what you are reading.  Did you read it too quickly? Skip words and phrases? Listen to music, talk to your friends?  It's like a conversation; if you do not want to recollect it you will not be able to. Next time you read through it, be sure to treat it as though it's important (and the basics of light, as simplified as this guy writes about them, are pretty important).
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Re: Nooblet Cola.

Reply #12 on: August 03, 2007, 02:53:10 am
You better start remembering because I might start locking. We're not here to hold your hand through developing the ability to gather and apply information.

I'm really sorry, Helm. I've had a rough time today, but I have no right to request such information.

On a later note, I read it through another time.. and now refer to it as I work, so that it will be embedded in my long-term memory. (Eventually. Hopefully.)

Edit: Here's a MiniCola can, with orange Radiance from an invisible Orange cola can. .O.     (Oh damn, I forgot the white background again.)

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Re: Nooblet Cola.

Reply #13 on: August 03, 2007, 03:36:16 am
If you can't remember it, try checking out some other tutorials, like something on simple forms. If its too much to take in at once, start with a smaller chunk of information.

http://www.anticz.com/drawing1.htm

Something like that. I don't know.

EDIT: In regards to your edit, it's still not shaded in terms of its form (ie, a cylinder). There's no shadow.
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Re: Nooblet Cola.

Reply #14 on: August 03, 2007, 03:52:15 am
Do you mean shadow as in shadow, or shadow as in Shading?
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Re: Nooblet Cola.

Reply #15 on: August 03, 2007, 04:35:14 am
Shadow as in the absence of direct light.

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Re: Nooblet Cola.

Reply #16 on: August 03, 2007, 03:39:38 pm
I edited your can, maybe it can help you.

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Re: Nooblet Cola.

Reply #17 on: August 03, 2007, 05:00:59 pm
"a l'il bit" is NOT an appropriate response to a great edit that addresses all of the problems with your work.  Be more responsible in the future.  This will likely be a strike for you, ornust, despite managing to avoid using the word "newb".

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Reply #18 on: August 03, 2007, 07:01:03 pm
"a l'il bit" is NOT an appropriate response to a great edit that addresses all of the problems with your work.  Be more responsible in the future.  This will likely be a strike for you, ornust, despite managing to avoid using the word "newb".

I've been making all these dumb mistakes lately, I'm terribly sorry for them. I'll try to be more responsible with my posts.

I do appreciate the edit, but my eyes were blurry at the time, and I only saw what looked like a JPEG of my older can without the logo. Sorry for that. I didn't even zoom in. Until now
« Last Edit: August 03, 2007, 07:15:27 pm by Ornust »
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