wee green fatso

[ptoing]

You still could get a way better result with nice weight in the same amount of frames. You should have made proper keyframes before inbetweening, i guess you have not done that.

[ndchristie]

1-2-3-4-5-4-3-2 isn't the best way of doing an animation; i think your actually better off with 1-2-3-4-5-3 if you must only use 5 frames.  gives you more room to work with

[Andy Tran]

 The walk animation looks fine. I'd leave it that way. Since the monster's weight could be great, he should walk pretty slow. The sprite is overall good. Keep pixeling St0ven, I would like to see more new work coming out.

[Aleiav]

The walking animation looks kind of slow.

But otherwise, it looks really awesome so far. 

[Conzeit]

steve =D

man, did you forget that one time with tsugumo when the 3 frame walk of ninja gaiden was analyzed? uneven numbered walks are all about chosing one of the steps and emphasizing it.

in the case of ninja gaiden as it is a sidescroller the emphasized step was the one on the foreground because it's the one which the viewer notices the most.

but in the case of a iso walk it is the background step because it is the most readable one, because it's clearly represented in the sillouethe

and for all that is holy and low-res, why oh why did you use a stance frame in the walk anim? you should've used the extra frame (the one that makes 4 into 5) to give the sense of weight and contact to the background step...it's not really about tweaking and fine tuning, it's all about knowing what you're doing beforehand.

and......timing! where is the timing? how much a frame lasts can make the whole anim...

the attack...I think you'd know what aproach I'd take on this, I would completly deform his body in the few blurred frames, and cut down on the number of them, the point of woosh frames is to signify very fast movement so there's no need to fade out the woosh, it's much better to have a recoil frame than to fade out the woosh

why all the detail anyway?...I mean, not that I mind but at real size you can barely see blobs of blurred light, I think only the general shape the coloring and the loincloth get salvaged. none of the detail really comes trough

EDIT:heheh....I really dont know what you were thinking with that stepping pose of the background leg, as soon as I opened it up in ggale I could hear the

BOING
sound effect on my head, were you going for super ogrio bros or something? :p

anyway, an edit:

[Turbo]

Here's an edit which adresses the "skiing" comments issues:

Yousa: Meesa:

I edited only the leg on the right, to give it a sense of stomping, and of bending the foot and knee as it moves back and propels the body forward. Before, you had the walking movement only at the hips, the feet and knees were permanently bent at like a 30 to 45 degree angle and the hips did all the work, but that's not right, oh noes it aint. This caused the weird swinging effect we were whining about.
There's a slight issue in my edit: it looks like he's propelling his leg outward as it moves back. I think this was partly because in your first version, i kinda think this was what was happening, intentional or not. And partly because it's a quick edit

I see that Conceit has also edited sections concerning these issues, but he's lost most of the sense of weight, and my edit is more complete in keeping your original movement intention. And because it's mine HAHHAAHA

I love the detail and sub-pixel movement you put into these, but it's almost like it's very strong in advanced techniques but lacking in certain basic ones (that timing thing Conceit suggested would help verily. I'd advise adding some secondary arms motion, in case you decide to pursue frames in which he stops due to the stomp, so it doesn't look so static).

[Conzeit]

there is no reversing in yours turbo, had st0ven actually used 8 separate frames he wouldnt have had a problem expressing weight at all, the problem has always been there's only 5 real frames to use

I did actually apply timing to my edit, I think that's what you're hinting at when you say mine doesnt have weight because it moves faster, I could just as well increase the frame delay....

[Turbo]

Oh, i didn't get that it was supposed to be done in 5 frames. Disregard that, then.

[st0ven]

great great great...

ca..er.. conceit, i totally have NOT forgotten that thread btw, the three frame run cycle that fooled everyone in the world! what magic!

first off, i really enjoy and appreciate your edit and i get a much better sense of , well, the figure _Standing_ rather than squat gliding. embarrasingly (and unbelieving as you may be)... due to the sever constraints this concept was developed for, the motion would actually be cardinal, not isometric (left right and somehow up down)... which is an embarrasing admission.

i think the critique of this piece well overshot what it was originally intended for, and thats not to say that i had done anything 'on purpose', in fact i think there are a lot of good points in this that ive already considered for when the time comes that i might have to make many more of these, but regardless, im glad they were pointed out because i know for a fact, whether for this project or another, im going to, in fact, be doing much isometric character animation and these details were an awesome point of reference for me to pick up on.

Turbo, i think you are right, there is a bit too much attention to detail of the texture (which may or may not be lost, ca...damnit, conceit, depending on the monitor it is viewed from) without enough thought put into the motion... but i can tell you the intent of making it look weightless, despite the detail or number of frames in the attack anim, was intentional from the getgo.... all while trying to make it look as 'realistic' as i could get it.... meaning that this peice in particular would never expect to be anything more than 'iconic' in its practice, though ive tried to push that envelope to make it look a bit less iconic (once again this doesnt go to say that i didnt love the critique and especially the edits).

camus, turbo, thanks for the points explained with sincerity ^_^.

OH!! speaking of weightless animations... this just came to mind... and is completely off topic... anyone ever play/see atelier iris (sp) from nippon ichi? holy smokes do those guys FLOAT!

[Conzeit]

yes, yes , you dont have to tell me that you cant use this for this specific project I know how it goes steve =).Plus I've always thought C&C that can be used later is always better than the C&C that is only good for one piece.

and you can call me whatever you want, Camus, Baybaybom, Camilo, Cauzilu, Caracal, Conceit.....I just thought I'd use that as my nick for now because I just really like the word sounds and the way it went from it's greek origin "conceptus" to being a synonim of arrogance.....

heh, the BOING pose makes a little bit more sense now that you explain that it would move horizontally, you could have even done a fightgame style walk where they're just skidding sideways.

atelier whata?....I dont know what you are talking about at all, but it IS a common practice among rpgs......and what really really gets me is they regularly use freaking STANCE frames for walk anims.