Fighting to the sound of music

[Filax_666]

I noticed KOS wasn't filled yet, so I thought I could actually finish a fighter sprite (something i could not acomplish in my previous tries). Portrait coming very soon, I hope. C&C welcome, as usual

EDIT: 11 colours if anyone's wondering and that's as high as I would like the colour count to stay

[instant]

My main crit is the low contrast and the belt's color/shading- other than that, really cool

[Ryumaru]

i think those are boxers

[Dhaos]

You got the muscle down pretty well. Palette's pretty tight too. He's got some massive hips though >_<. Also his > forearm is incredly long compared to the bicept (I'd lengthen the bicept more).

[Ryumaru]

you should thin the back of his abdomen area, there isnt much muscle there(mostly the obliques) and those usaully arent that massive.

[Filax_666]

Thanks for the replies, guys.

Instant: As Ryumaru said, those are boxers...as for the contrast, you may want to check the new version, since I know some colours changed because of the file format.

Dhaos: Thanks, I studied a lot of anatomy (not as much as I would like, unfortunately) a few time ago, so it wasn't that hard. I already knew of the forearm problem, I was just too lazy to fix it. Since I didn't know which arm you were talking about (or maybe you meant both) I only edited his right one. You can see the edit below.

Ryumaru: Thanks for telling me that I made him one pixel thiner and it defenitely looks better!


[the colours may be a bit different now, since I saved it as .gif this time]

Not much to say about it, I barely changed a thing...all of the edits are mentioned above

[big brother]

Some more crits (in no particular order)

-His hips seem wider than his shoulders
-His head looks like it was drawn separately from the body (doesn't match the angle of the neck, esp for this pose)
-Collarbone is too low, cuts into pecs
-No nipples
-Navel should not be along horizontal ab ridge, should be a little below
-Six pack is all above the navel, 8 pack is two below (you have four above and two below)
-His right bicep is bigger than the left
-The definition lines on his arms are all off, look for reference
-Headphone looks like a ball with a short antennae. Maybe if it had a bigger strap it would look like those clunky headphones.
-No wires from the heaphones?
-The ark edge on the outside of his right pec makes it look like his right arm is detached.

[Indigo]

Big brother... look where this guy's navel is:


yes there are another set of abdomen right below the pectorials, however they usually aren't as defined and are generally not counted as part of the 'six pack'.  so really - the naval should be located inbetween the second and third rows of the six pack. However, it seems like Filaxy boy placed the pack a bit too high, which would make sense on why big brother made such a comment.  The thing i dont understand is where your seeing the belly button to begin with.  I dont see one - just looks like a line defiining one of the abs to me.  Also - i dont think the hips are wider than the shoulders; it might be an illusion because of the way the legs are positioned (to try to keep his pants up maybe?) but its hard to tell.

I agree with everything else big brother said (especially about the collarbone- that one really bugs me).  Overall though - I absolutely love it.  It has a nice feel of flatness to it, but it still has depth - so thats good.  I kinda like the contrasting outlines to the colours within.  Also, its a great character you've created.  I have problems with originality, so I commend you for that.

good work.

[Helm]

use this guide. crotch to navel is one head, two more to reach the actual head. general arc from arm joints goes to navel. Variations exist (there's so many differently built smallheaded/bigheaded men and women!) but this is a good thing to keep in mind.

edit:



anatomy edit. using one color less than you (11), yet I added highlights for both skin and pants. A bit of unification (not too much, this is st0venish, doesn't have to be a compact one palette) can help make for extra slots for other stuff.

[big brother]

http://yahooligans.yahoo.com/reference/gray/subjects/subject?id=118

Count 'em. There are 8, 6 above and 2 below the navel. Seems contradictory -- you admit to the number, then for some reason say the top two don't "count". If anything, the bottom 2 of the 8 usually have less definition.

Back to your image:


Are you sure I'm wrong?

[Filax_666]

Quick edit, I'll change my post after dinner with some more info
Actually not, I must sleep now, but I'll try to do it tomorrow morning

EDIT: So, here goes...

First, thanks for the C&C, everyone. It's really great to get all this feedback from you

big brother: I read your comment yesterday morning and i thought "wow...I suck." So, before going to school, I took my father's anatomy books, so I could study them a bit more deeply. Of course, I was aware that those top two abs exist, I have a body (duh!), I just didn't draw them because no one seems to pay atention to them (Marvel, for example). Well, I'm not sure if I understood all of what you said, but I tried to fix most of it. He's got nipples (I remembered that at some point, but then I forgot thanks for reminding me), tried to fix the collarbone thing (although I don't think I understood it), fixed the abs thing, his right bicept is now a bit smaller and tried to define his arms lines better (although I might not have done it well). About the headphones, you are right, they're supposed to be just a ball with an antennae (for more weird headphone designs click here). And that's it. Thanks for the constructive critique, it was very helpful.

Indigo: I'm glad you like it. It's not that original though...It's just me, with a bunch of muscles and an odd headphone. I hope that feeling of flatness you and I enjoy in it hasn't been lost in my last edit

Helm: Although it was obviously very rushed, your edit helped me a lot, especially in the arms. I don't agree with the your folds flow in the jeans, though. I mean, if he was using them normally that would be the right way, but he has pulled them a bit downwards, which breaks the "natural" flow of the folds. About the colours, I don't think I will change them...I'm really liking the jeans without higlights and I'm still not sure if I'll keep the highlights I added on the skin. I'll wait to see what pther people think about it...it was very clever to unify the two darkest shades though. Again, thank you for taking the time to answer and for editing the sprite.


So, here's the lastest version, with all the modifications mentioned above.

[Indigo]

No worries, big brother.  I completely agree with you.  And no need to count them - I know there are 8.  I mentioned this in my first post.  I think you missunderstood what I was trying to say.  Most people - when referring to the "six pack" - start counting the muscels from below where the rib cage ends. This is because, thats generally where they start to become more defined. The top two abdomen are sorta riding on top of the rib cage. Your saying that the the top two abdomen are included when referring to 'the six pack', but as far as i know, its the six below the first row that is really considered the six pack.  Its not really too big of an issue really - we just had a missunderstanding of what is or what is not a six-pack (which isn't a proper muscle group name to begin with)

most artists dont even draw the top two abdomen - which suggests what i've been saying.  Check out these marvel pics - they all start drawing the abdomen from below the ribcage.
http://a-arca.uol.com.br/v2/images/gibi_news_mkspider.jpg
http://kebawe.com/bullons/images/daredevil_s.jpg

It seems to me that Filax was also trying to do this same thing, but he didn't leave a gap enough below the pectorials.

anyway, I'm not trying to say your wrong, cuz your definately not.  just a missunderstanding.

[Helm]

protip: don't learn anatomy from marvel comics. Even if you intend to work on marvel comics.

[Darion]

most artists dont even draw the top two abdomen - which suggests what i've been saying.  Check out these marvel pics - they all start drawing the abdomen from below the ribcage.
http://a-arca.uol.com.br/v2/images/gibi_news_mkspider.jpg
http://kebawe.com/bullons/images/daredevil_s.jpg

I agree with Helm about the "don't draw from marvel comics" saying, but I do agree with what you're saying.

That guy just has a well defined abdomen; I rarely see the very top ... abdomia? I have no fucking idea what they are called. I just never recall seeing the very top ones, usually. So, its really up to you to disregard it, or not.

And that reference is giving me a massive erection.

[Filax_666]

So, the post's edited above And if anyone wants to see, I already made a sketch for the portrait!

CLICK EEET!

EDIT: And a very quick trace (I need breakfast...)

[big brother]

Apologies if I came off as a dick.