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Make your own ellipses (pixel art)

on: January 07, 2017, 05:37:12 pm
Your task is to make ellipses from 1x1 to 12x12. You can choose whether they are antialiased or whether they are not anti-aliased. I'll start with my ellipses:


Follow the format above but use your own text. You can make multiple sets, they can be same or different, but all in one post.
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Re: Make your own ellipses (pixel art)

Reply #1 on: January 08, 2017, 05:28:57 pm
Please refrain from creating multiple accounts, one is more than enough. Also, what is the purpose of this "activity"?
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Re: Make your own ellipses (pixel art)

Reply #2 on: January 08, 2017, 06:28:43 pm
Please refrain from creating multiple accounts, one is more than enough. Also, what is the purpose of this "activity"?
Drawing ellipses, choosing the ones that seem the best to you.
Example of things that I want to see an opinion of:
Code: [Select]

 #     ###
### or ### ?
 #     ###
So that I can see which option will people choose, but in all 144 ellipses too.

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Re: Make your own ellipses (pixel art)

Reply #3 on: January 08, 2017, 08:13:39 pm
The only subjectivity in rasterizing a solid ellipse is whether to include or exclude an incident sampling point.

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Re: Make your own ellipses (pixel art)

Reply #4 on: January 08, 2017, 08:29:00 pm
The only subjectivity in rasterizing a solid ellipse is whether to include or exclude an incident sampling point.
That's the point, but there are MANY such points:

Not to mention the ellipses too. Paint also uses assymetrical shapes for 13x13 and 14x14. So I want to know what you prefer by drawing the 144 ellipses from 1x1 to 12x12.

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Re: Make your own ellipses (pixel art)

Reply #5 on: January 08, 2017, 08:48:11 pm
That's the point, but there are MANY such points:
There really aren't.

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Re: Make your own ellipses (pixel art)

Reply #6 on: January 08, 2017, 09:11:47 pm
A single artist will likely rasterize the same size ellipse in different ways in different situations, based on what they're depicting and the colours they're using. Most people don't practice rasterizing basic shapes without context because that's basically meaningless. You may want to think about why you care so much to see different people's takes on this "issue".
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Re: Make your own ellipses (pixel art)

Reply #7 on: January 09, 2017, 02:12:15 pm
That's the point, but there are MANY such points:
There really aren't.
But how am I supposed to know which ones you prefer? Make a picture like the first 2 posts and stop discussing. I just want to know how will you draw general ellipses of the desired size. End. Dot.

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Re: Make your own ellipses (pixel art)

Reply #8 on: January 09, 2017, 06:00:14 pm
But how am I supposed to know which ones you prefer? Make a picture like the first 2 posts and stop discussing. I just want to know how will you draw general ellipses of the desired size. End. Dot.


The reason we're discussing is because we are confused by this, it feels like a weird thing to be fixating on when there are better avenues for improvement and the goal is still somewhat unclear. Are you trying to figure out anti-aliasing? are you trying to see how other people approach... a basic shape?
There's only going to be maybe three or four highly-situational ways to do what you've described here, and doing it serves no real purpose except as an incredibly basic practice gesture that would likely be better spent just doing a whole drawing.
It's confusing.
Like eishiya said, it's the context of the shape you work from.
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Re: Make your own ellipses (pixel art)

Reply #9 on: January 09, 2017, 08:00:49 pm
But how am I supposed to know which ones you prefer? Make a picture like the first 2 posts and stop discussing. I just want to know how will you draw general ellipses of the desired size. End. Dot.
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The reason we're discussing is because we are confused by this, it feels like a weird thing to be fixating on when there are better avenues for improvement and the goal is still somewhat unclear. Are you trying to figure out anti-aliasing? are you trying to see how other people approach... a basic shape?
There's only going to be maybe three or four highly-situational ways to do what you've described here, and doing it serves no real purpose except as an incredibly basic practice gesture that would likely be better spent just doing a whole drawing.
It's confusing.
Like eishiya said, it's the context of the shape you work from.
That's not a basic shape, it's a square-root based shape. Also the picture below shows various pictures of different fake "users" making circles from 1x1 to 6x6, which is what I would like to see from users if it was just circles 1x1 to 6x6:

Image 1 and image 2 were made by one user, but in one post. Image 3 was made by another user who prefers circles with less pixels. Image 4 was made by some person who likes anti-aliasing. Image 5 was the same idea as Image 3 - that's valid. Copying it is also valid. Image 6 was made by person who cares about area and not symmetry. So I suggest you to make an image like the one of beginning to check which type of circle you like.

Look at this image:

Your task is, in the places of my ellipses, draw your ellipses instead, and use your own title in place of my one.
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Re: Make your own ellipses (pixel art)

Reply #10 on: January 09, 2017, 08:11:32 pm
If you are unsure how to draw an ellipse and don't much trust your editor (GraphicsGale had a buggy ellipse (might still do), Pro Motion can't draw an even dimension ellipse, still need to trust editor enough to draw the high-res ellipse) try something like this: http://img.uninhabitant.com/ellipse_sampling.png
If the centre sampling point falls within the high-res ellipse fill that pixel.

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Re: Make your own ellipses (pixel art)

Reply #11 on: January 09, 2017, 08:12:30 pm
For a 12 years old, that lives in Poland, you really have a rich english vocabulary. And also like 80-column texts.

Edit: to clarify, I'm not being sarcastic or such. Sorry if it sounded like sarcasm.
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Re: Make your own ellipses (pixel art)

Reply #12 on: January 10, 2017, 05:58:30 am
We understand that there can be different kinds of ways to draw an ellipse in pixel-art, but the point is that there is not real point to this. It's not an exercise that's interesting, nor is it something that will improve your skills.

You have pointed out what we should do, but not why. You're curious about how people approach ellipses? You already got your answer, why do you want us to draw multiple ellipses?

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Re: Make your own ellipses (pixel art)

Reply #13 on: January 10, 2017, 06:29:08 am
If you are unsure how to draw an ellipse and don't much trust your editor (GraphicsGale had a buggy ellipse (might still do), Pro Motion can't draw an even dimension ellipse, still need to trust editor enough to draw the high-res ellipse) try something like this: http://img.uninhabitant.com/ellipse_sampling.png
If the centre sampling point falls within the high-res ellipse fill that pixel.
Paint.net does exactly what you described, but this editor is bad and won't replace Paint. I want to see your ellipses, how you draw them. Not help. It's for fun, not help.

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Re: Make your own ellipses (pixel art)

Reply #14 on: January 10, 2017, 06:30:22 am
We understand that there can be different kinds of ways to draw an ellipse in pixel-art, but the point is that there is not real point to this. It's not an exercise that's interesting, nor is it something that will improve your skills.

You have pointed out what we should do, but not why. You're curious about how people approach ellipses? You already got your answer, why do you want us to draw multiple ellipses?
Yes, I am. But how did I already get the answer?

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Re: Make your own ellipses (pixel art)

Reply #15 on: January 11, 2017, 02:53:29 pm

Yes, I am. But how did I already get the answer?

You were said that it depends wholly on the context. Basically, taking look at ellipses on their own is a pointless exercise.

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Re: Make your own ellipses (pixel art)

Reply #16 on: January 11, 2017, 03:45:54 pm

Yes, I am. But how did I already get the answer?

You were said that it depends wholly on the context. Basically, taking look at ellipses on their own is a pointless exercise.
It depends on person opinion not on context.

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Re: Make your own ellipses (pixel art)

Reply #17 on: January 11, 2017, 05:07:30 pm
Quoting myself from earlier in the thread:
A single artist will likely rasterize the same size ellipse in different ways in different situations, based on what they're depicting and the colours they're using.

Context matters. A person's "opinion" on which pixels to fill with which colour depends on the context. Sure, if someone's just filling out a sheet full of contextless ellipses, then it's only their opinion that matters because there's no context. But the point is, most people don't do that, they do ellipses in context, and that context drives their decision.
If you pixel ellipses the same way in all contexts, you're probably making worse art than you could be.

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Re: Make your own ellipses (pixel art)

Reply #18 on: January 14, 2017, 07:56:30 am
Quoting myself from earlier in the thread:
A single artist will likely rasterize the same size ellipse in different ways in different situations, based on what they're depicting and the colours they're using.

Context matters. A person's "opinion" on which pixels to fill with which colour depends on the context. Sure, if someone's just filling out a sheet full of contextless ellipses, then it's only their opinion that matters because there's no context. But the point is, most people don't do that, they do ellipses in context, and that context drives their decision.
If you pixel ellipses the same way in all contexts, you're probably making worse art than you could be.
Really? I don't think it's a good idea to pixel a red ellipse differently than a green one for example. Also most people (that are not pixel artists or in this forum) just use built-in function to make ellipses. I want to see which ellipses various people prefer. PLEASE! DRAW! ELLIPSES!
The context is the color scheme you picked. If you want to make black on white, use that context. GO! I would rasterize them equally because how does context matter? I always use 9 pixels to make a 3x3 circle, while using 5 pixels can give impression of smaller circle, but my 3x3 circle does not depend on context, if I want to make a 3x3 circle. Would you rasterize 8x8 circle differently if it's red or blue? This is just stupid. Why would someone rasterize circle of same size differently with different colors?

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Re: Make your own ellipses (pixel art)

Reply #19 on: January 14, 2017, 01:43:51 pm
I wouldn't rasterize a single-colour red ellipse on white any differently from a single-colour green ellipse on white. Those are still contextless shapes!
But, I would rasterise a bright green plastic pipe (the opening of which is an ellipse) sticking out of grey concrete that's meant to be the focal point differently from how I'd rasterise a grey hole in that concrete (also an ellipse). That's context. And the reasons I'd do that are
1. The green pipe is a focus, and so I would probably make it a little thicker so that it's clear that it's the focus.
2. Light affects plastic and concrete differently, and the two objects have different types of edges. This effects how much of an impression of light/shadow I want to give and how smooth/soft I'd make the edges.
3. The two objects have different textures, and possibly different kinds of wear and tear. I would break up their outlines to reflect this. Subtle chips in the material are very easy to convey by choosing to rasterise one part of a shape differently from another, since the overall shape is still an ellipse, but now with subtle irregularities.

See what I mean by context now? Actual artwork. Scenes, tilesets, etc. where ellipses are used to depict objects or create an impression rather than drawn for their own sake.

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Re: Make your own ellipses (pixel art)

Reply #20 on: January 14, 2017, 06:48:35 pm
I wouldn't rasterize a single-colour red ellipse on white any differently from a single-colour green ellipse on white. Those are still contextless shapes!
But, I would rasterise a bright green plastic pipe (the opening of which is an ellipse) sticking out of grey concrete that's meant to be the focal point differently from how I'd rasterise a grey hole in that concrete (also an ellipse). That's context. And the reasons I'd do that are
1. The green pipe is a focus, and so I would probably make it a little thicker so that it's clear that it's the focus.
2. Light affects plastic and concrete differently, and the two objects have different types of edges. This effects how much of an impression of light/shadow I want to give and how smooth/soft I'd make the edges.
3. The two objects have different textures, and possibly different kinds of wear and tear. I would break up their outlines to reflect this. Subtle chips in the material are very easy to convey by choosing to rasterise one part of a shape differently from another, since the overall shape is still an ellipse, but now with subtle irregularities.

See what I mean by context now? Actual artwork. Scenes, tilesets, etc. where ellipses are used to depict objects or create an impression rather than drawn for their own sake.
Ok then. The context here is: Imagine you want to draw a black sprite with the desired size that's going to be shown on white background. An ellipse sprite, for a platformer game. I wouldn't rasterize differently depending on context, it's pointless. The task would be easy for me. If the post creator was you I would happily draw my favorite style of ellipses instead of asking about st**** context.

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Re: Make your own ellipses (pixel art)

Reply #21 on: January 14, 2017, 07:50:35 pm
Ok then. The context here is: Imagine you want to draw a black sprite with the desired size that's going to be shown on white background. An ellipse sprite, for a platformer game. I wouldn't rasterize differently depending on context, it's pointless. The task would be easy for me. If the post creator was you I would happily draw my favorite style of ellipses instead of asking about st**** context.

The thing is - other than to appease you, there is no practical reason to do that. We won't improve our skills or learn anything new, and neither will you, despite what you think. In other words - it would be a waste of time.

I feel you're stuck in your thinking. When you say that you wouldn't make the ellipse differently depending on the context, even after having the reasons why you should outlined for you, it seems like you're throwing a tantrum, unwilling to budge and take a step back and think about what's being said.

I'm confused with your fetishism over something so minor and inconsequential.

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Re: Make your own ellipses (pixel art)

Reply #22 on: January 14, 2017, 11:06:16 pm

Ellipses is getting uncomfortable Piotr, they've been going steady with Semicolon for a couple years now and they really don't want to mess it up!

(Really though, jokes aside, please try to back off a bit. Like Achrileg said, you're either making your point excessively poorly or simply not listening to us. Basic shapes, like ellipses, are constantly changing based on what they're a part of in any given scene or image or even ART STYLE. For example, one ellipses might turn into a sprite of Kirby, while another could wind up as Q-bert, and yet another could simply be a light-bulb. In all these cases they'd be nothing more than a construction element of a larger whole, and in each case the shading and edge-details on it would be different too.
It's like spending an hour drawing several straight lines on a paper, for an absolute no-experience beginner perhaps that's a good place to pick up but for someone who's been drawing entire scenes and objects it is a bit of a waste when it could be tied into other exercises.)
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Re: Make your own ellipses (pixel art)

Reply #23 on: January 14, 2017, 11:51:58 pm

K here is some ellipses with my own text.  :y:

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Re: Make your own ellipses (pixel art)

Reply #24 on: January 15, 2017, 08:01:42 am

K here is some ellipses with my own text.  :y:
Finally someone understood it. Nice to see that you prefer these ellipses. But you have n*4 row twice with different ellipses.
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