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GR#017 - Female Anatomy (Nudity)

on: February 20, 2010, 02:02:41 am
Hey guys, ive been doing alot of study on human anatomy since my last post on here, i did these in 256x256 though looking back i should have
made it far bigger >.<
 
 
 
the main areas im concerned with are the hands feet and forearms, as this was just anatomy practice there is no intention for
shading or anything like that. Thanks ahead of time for any C&C. =)

PS: if anyone is looking for an accurate 256x256 - 7.5 head anatomy template message me and ill post it. xD
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Re: [WIP]-Female Anatomy-[nudity]

Reply #1 on: February 20, 2010, 03:44:07 am
That is a fair amount of detailing. Just remember, boobs don't make a woman. The current musculature you have on your sketch is totally male.
The broadness of the shoulders, the lines of the arms, the shape of the torso, hips to thighs to calves to feet.

Take note of the darker brown lines. Instead of outlining the figure, I drew according to how each muscle or body part flows from one segment to another. Even if you're drawing a muscular woman, almost all of the lines flow in continuous curves.
I'll try and do some comparative analysis for you in a few days.

Keep on researching. After a while you'll really be able to notice the subtle nuances of the human figure,

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Re: [WIP]-Female Anatomy-[nudity]

Reply #2 on: February 20, 2010, 05:55:21 am
Hehe, yea i noticed the very broad/stocky look after i finished the first draft, part of the problem is im using a really bad mouse on a wierd laptop,
ill be getting my tablet back in a few days hopefully,
thanks for the help and ill get to modifying mine right now. Should have an updated one soon enough. =)

at least i know i could make a male version easily enough =P

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Re: [WIP]-Female Anatomy-[nudity]

Reply #3 on: February 20, 2010, 10:23:30 am
this might be a little bit closer to what you're going for. stocky is definitely not the way to go with ladies.

not " perfect" by any means, but you get the idea. biggest problem is that the shoulders should definitely not be that much broader than the hips.

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Re: [WIP]-Female Anatomy-[nudity]

Reply #4 on: February 20, 2010, 10:56:01 am
god i hope its not the book im studying thats bad =P
my version looked almost identical to the book i was drawing from. But again, thank you ill add this to my reference materials, you guys are a great help =)
love this site xD

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Re: [WIP]-Female Anatomy-[nudity]

Reply #5 on: February 20, 2010, 11:16:25 am
mind scanning the book version so we can at least ascertain if the book is good or not?

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Re: [WIP]-Female Anatomy-[nudity]

Reply #6 on: February 20, 2010, 03:15:04 pm
Classic human anatomy by Valerie L. Winslow. Its a pretty new book 2009 i think, and it covers literally everything.
muscle structure,bones,etc is that what you meant by the book version?

edit: Wow fail.. i just now understood what you meant. uhh ill give it a try i dont know if this scanner works where i am though


ok there, ha.
hope that helps make sense of things, time for sleeep!
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Re: [WIP]-Female Anatomy-[nudity]

Reply #7 on: February 20, 2010, 05:31:13 pm
Hrm, the book itself is actually good. It's just that the specific shot you used as a reference isn't the best one on portraying a female body... As a supplement I'd recommend you check out Ron Lemen http://ronlemen.blogspot.com/. He's done some excellent tutorials in ImagineFX, and his gesture drawings are simple enough to deconstruct. He put me back on track in terms of anatomy.

A lot of art isn't exactly about what's real. What matters is the perception of reality; what we think is real. A bright red blob in a fruit stand will be seen as an apple. If it were a green apple, chances are you'd see it as some vegetable instead. It's the same with stylized anatomy. Females are more curvaceous, males have more straight lines. Females generally have lighter frames, males are stockier. Hybrid body types are much more difficult to portray, so be extra cautious when doing them until you're comfortable with the known archetypes (hybrids would include muscular females, effeminate males, fantastical humanoids such as half-elves, cyborgs, etc.)

Hoping to see your progression here, hehe.   ;D

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Re: [WIP]-Female Anatomy-[nudity]

Reply #8 on: February 20, 2010, 10:07:29 pm
bloody hell. whats that title of that book?

"an introduction to drawing russian shotputters volume1"?

lol

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Re: [WIP]-Female Anatomy-[nudity]

Reply #9 on: February 21, 2010, 03:01:37 am
This is a much more commonly accepted proportions and " ideal" female guide

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Reply #10 on: February 21, 2010, 03:35:16 am
This is a much more commonly accepted proportions and " ideal" female guide
Wat really? I really don't think either of the guides are very good, but that one seems significantly less accurate than the one Kaelaar posted.
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Re: [WIP]-Female Anatomy-[nudity]

Reply #11 on: February 21, 2010, 03:48:14 am
hah, I love how Ryu's chick is wearing high-heels in the anat guide, and even labels them, haha. I agree with STE86, "reply#6" is referencing a very husky female, not suitable as a standard base.

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Re: [WIP]-Female Anatomy-[nudity]

Reply #12 on: February 21, 2010, 04:04:46 am
Sadly the one Ryu posted isn't exactly good either, it's not *wrong* (and neither is the Russian shotputter) it just describes extreme cases. Let me try to find something online.







Isn't it strange that the best I could find on google are on 3d models?

also, this



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Re: [WIP]-Female Anatomy-[nudity]

Reply #13 on: February 21, 2010, 04:58:07 am
From a German anatomy book which is very good. (Bammes. Die Gestalt des Menschen)

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Re: [WIP]-Female Anatomy-[nudity]

Reply #14 on: February 21, 2010, 06:20:45 am
Interesting stuff, are the breasts really connected to the shoulder like that?

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Re: [WIP]-Female Anatomy-[nudity]

Reply #15 on: February 21, 2010, 06:32:20 am
Well, the pectoral muscles are, and the breasts are aligned with them, so sorta- but that diagram is a bit exaggerated to get the point across.

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This is a much more commonly accepted proportions and " ideal" female guide
Wat really? I really don't think either of the guides are very good, but that one seems significantly less accurate than the one Kaelaar posted.
Thing is, with the variety of today there really isn't a right proportion. that one shows the Ideal of Loomis's time and noting his success as an illustrator he was at least right in knowing what people wanted to see. Even when you find the " average" proportion guides like the translucent ladies Helm posted, you will find that more girls will fit into these extreme cases than they will in the average. I find proportions of the " average" figure to be extremely unhelpful- when do I want to draw someone average? when I'm drawing from life, the person is usually a model for the very reason that they have an interesting figure and will therefor not have average proportions- or if i'm illustrating I will probably want to make sure the girl is sexy and the guy is muscular because thats what the common folk like to see, and if i'm doing something personal I will indefinitely draw the ladies in a way I find attractive and the guys in a way that I wish I looked like.
But yeah, this is a common argument about proportions- I was hoping if I gave an example in an entirely different direction from the first reference he might find himself somewhere between the two.
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Re: [WIP]-Female Anatomy-[nudity]

Reply #16 on: February 21, 2010, 09:38:46 am
I personally find nothing about the 'common' human figure to be very common, the opposite, fascinating. I don't think extreme cases are inherently more interesting and I don't think the 'common folk' want to see sexy & muscles (though I'm not saying those don't work, I think other approaches would also work). But this is getting a bit OT, I will perhaps do an edit at some point.

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Re: [WIP]-Female Anatomy-[nudity]

Reply #17 on: February 21, 2010, 10:18:49 am
omg i love you guys.  and i completely agree with you on that helm, i want to be able to make a good and accurate anatomy drawing, i dont care if its 'sexy'
although i dont want a man-woman, which apparently mine is haha!

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getting my tablet back tomorrow,hopefully ,and i should have a decent edit soon after
thanks all for the help.

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Re: [WIP]-Female Anatomy-[nudity]

Reply #18 on: February 21, 2010, 04:37:55 pm
ok i did some editing with my mouse, made the shoulders more feminine and hopefully fixed up the thighs and upper arms,
i know the legs probably still look manly but i wanted to make sure i was doing everything else right first.



thanks again for all the help everyone.

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Re: [WIP]-Female Anatomy-[nudity]

Reply #19 on: February 21, 2010, 10:10:32 pm
Thing is, what is accurate?

I think your guide has made the knees too low, possibly exaggerated by the confusion of placing it in the middle of a head length because of the 7.5 head length of the figure. In mine, and in ptoing's post, you'll notice the figure is 8 heads tall, and that the knees sit right on the line of the 2nd head length up. Also you are exaggerating the dip of the muscles of the thighs, and the extruded length of them worsens it. The vertical line down the chest indicating the sternum is unnecessary- it is rarely that defined, and if anything would be more defined on a male than female.
If you are going to go for the "average" physique, I believe ptoing's diagram will be of much more help to you than the one from your book.

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Re: [WIP]-Female Anatomy-[nudity]

Reply #20 on: February 22, 2010, 04:34:26 am
ok, i think ill just redo this bigger and in 8 head proportions, xD

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Re: [WIP]-Female Anatomy-[nudity]

Reply #21 on: February 22, 2010, 04:45:57 pm
Hmmm, tricky subject as peoples structure differs between races, food and the terrain they live on. I know that in St.Lucia (my parents home town) the women seem to be a lot more curvy than the women I saw when I was in Japan who were more petite and slighter than the St.Lucian women. If you look at some of the work that Shannon has done on pixeljoint, her women are curvy as well as being heavy set. Some of the artwork has received crits about this, but I have seen more women like that, than the leggy, busty bombshell.

It may be best to check out a life drawing class and sketch some females.

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Re: [WIP]-Female Anatomy-[nudity]

Reply #22 on: February 23, 2010, 04:04:15 am


Thought a few of these were lacking some volumes, so i tried to rub out a quick one with old-fashioned toolies, appologize for camera perspective issues (the page is actually drawn on a t-square so it's accurate), it's late here and i haven't put phooshop back since I formatted.

Went for something of a human-Helen, on account of average being about 7.4 heads in the USA (not sure how accurate that is...but it's enough for me).  few things are a little screwy (you can tell I just crapped things out a bit after the shoulders, torso and pelvis, which were the main concerns/interests) but you can't win them all, just trying to get a few more perspectives in here.

Pay particular attention to the tapering legs in all the good references.  I've played this up trying to get her to approach a "mothering thighs" measure of two heads across (a bit too much i think, though we were taught it); your legs try to stay along a constant width with only superficial changes and the result is a bit awkward, particularly just above the knee.
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Re: [WIP]-Female Anatomy-[nudity]

Reply #23 on: February 25, 2010, 09:51:44 am
Thats awesome christie, this is almost exactly the form i was looking for, ill try to do a drawing using this over the next couple of days, as well as all of the other material.
Thanks again everyone you've been a great help.

Ill also be working on a wallpaper idea ive had, might post it on here when i start it.

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Re: [WIP]-Female Anatomy-[nudity]

Reply #24 on: March 02, 2010, 05:19:17 pm


thats my attempt for you. hope that helps slightlky.

the way you drew the feet suggests that the woman is standing with splayed feet. dont forget the toes get smaller, and therefore should appear smaller in perspective. also there shorter :)

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Re: [WIP]-Female Anatomy-[nudity]

Reply #25 on: March 03, 2010, 04:34:07 pm
Thank you =) that definately helps, ill add this to my study material for sure. =D