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Portrait for a loved one. Please CnC.

on: December 21, 2009, 02:11:28 am
Title pretty much sums it up.  ;)


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Reply #1 on: December 21, 2009, 02:30:11 am
Maybe change the nose's outline color to something other than black, because right now it is making the nose stand out a lot more than it should. Other than that it looks great; good work from photo-referencing!

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Reply #2 on: December 21, 2009, 05:46:34 am
Its not bad. The nose is way off though.

I took a shot at it myself:



Took me about 2 hours and it would still take a lot of refinement to be "done".

Here you can see my progress, maybe it will help:

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Reply #3 on: December 21, 2009, 01:08:24 pm
Wow, great job evileye. :O

I'll try fixing some stuff.

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Reply #4 on: December 21, 2009, 01:37:21 pm
Ok I'm going to go against everything here and say I preferred hatters. Why you ask. Cause while Evil eyes is more accurate and detailed in a sense I would not show it to said loved one. Hatters looks more attractiv in a nice smooth and kind way. Not to mention the smoothness makes her look younger. Right now if I were the female in question (no I'm not female) I wold bitch slap evil eye if that was presented to me. Stick with smoother lines. Take into account evil eyes shading but don't focus on the details too much.


Also before we go any further I must ask Madhatter, Are you the same Madhatter who hacked rmxp.org (now hbgames.org). If so then I will have to contact Admin in concerns to your past. If it is just a joke title or coincidence fair enough but if you are said same person... >:(

Just a query before any further comments. (I know this isn't my place but that was a very serious action back then)

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Reply #5 on: December 21, 2009, 01:53:39 pm
EE's is an early start, with room for refinement and smoothing up, as he's already stated. I like the feel of it, though, but I've generally been a fan of loose strokes on the whole, so there's a bit of bias. MadHatter's is solid, though, if in need of killing the black lines :)

Ultimaodin: Really, dude? Firstly, MadHatter isn't exactly an uncommon or unheard of name (Lewis Carroll, anyone?). Secondly, really dude? You don't think you could have asked him via PM?

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Reply #6 on: December 21, 2009, 02:03:52 pm
Also before we go any further I must ask Madhatter, Are you the same Madhatter who hacked rmxp.org (now hbgames.org). If so then I will have to contact Admin in concerns to your past. If it is just a joke title or coincidence fair enough but if you are said same person... >:(
Mad Hatter is a very common nick name (I used to have it in another forum a loooong time ago). I don't think the person that hacked that web would use the same nick in other website.

About the portrait, I agree with Ultimaodin about the skin.
Your eyes need a little bit of correction, right now she seems very sleepy. Also she is missing a part of the neck.
The black outlines are too strong in some parts, like in the mouth. It seems wrong.

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Reply #7 on: December 22, 2009, 12:23:58 am
No, I'm not a hacker. I don't know the first thing about hacking.. except how to crash my own computer, but that won't do me much good. But thats offtopic.


Anyway, I think evileyes doesn't look atractive because of the rough lines, if it were to be shaded more properly, it would look much better.

@Lotek, I'll try opening the eyes, as well as lessining the outlines in some parts. How is she missing a part? Do you mean it should be longer, lacks shading, or should be wider?

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Reply #8 on: December 22, 2009, 12:44:21 am
How is she missing a part? Do you mean it should be longer, lacks shading, or should be wider?

Sorry for not being clear. Yes, I mean she needs a wider neck. I think.

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Reply #9 on: December 22, 2009, 12:45:51 am
Ok I'm going to go against everything here and say I preferred hatters. Why you ask. Cause while Evil eyes is more accurate and detailed in a sense I would not show it to said loved one. Hatters looks more attractiv in a nice smooth and kind way. Not to mention the smoothness makes her look younger. Right now if I were the female in question (no I'm not female) I wold bitch slap evil eye if that was presented to me.
Very rude and very mean to say to Evil Eye, its a very rough edit, obviously if EvilEye were to make this a full piece he would smooth out lines, make it look better, etc. You should learn to give a bit more respect to the people around you. The purpose of his edit is very clear and useful, his edit was also never intended to be the gift to the female, just to help our friend MadHatter here. I don't know what you're talking about really, his edit may be a bit rough, but it captures her likeness very well.

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Reply #10 on: December 22, 2009, 03:26:41 am
Ok first I do feel like a bit of an idiot because mahatter ain't a common nickname here and I've only heard/seen it twice by the same person on rmxp.org and another site trying to do the same. just being cautious.
@ben- Umm I didn't mean it to sound rude I just putting my words in a way I use everyday. I forget outside of Australia our speech is oft considered crude. I really just wanted to point the fact out that females don't WANT to see a perfect likeness, the want to see themselves so much more pretty. Only trying to point out that evil eyes looked older. Most women (at least that I've met) do not wish to be reminded of their age.
However if I did offend Evil Eye I do apologise, I'm learning netiquette just as much as I'm learning pixel art.

I do apologise to madhatter also for my accusation.


Anyway so this entire post isn't off topic I suggest adding a small glint inthe eye. It may not be in the reference but it will give her a presence of happiness and admiration. Simple additional details can be important. Her lps also look huge but that will mostly be corrected once you've removed the black outline. The eyes look sleepy cause you've tried to keep a nice curve, howver if you look at the refrence closely there is much of  curve going down left but more of a steep straight angle.

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Reply #11 on: December 22, 2009, 09:14:19 pm


A new one, for a different loved one. I know I shouldn't start something before I finish editing another, but I have a deadline. But I'm done now. If anyone can give me CnC for the new one, it would be epic.

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Reply #12 on: December 22, 2009, 09:36:25 pm
If I may just interject with a short suggestion--please please please axe the black outlines! They looks really really bad, especially around the lips and the nose. I made a really fast cheap edit to illustrate my point.



See the difference? This applies just as much to the original post as well. Those black outlines do not exist in reality, and so they are very jarring to see on a realistic face like this.

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Reply #13 on: December 22, 2009, 11:36:23 pm
OK, thanks, I'll keep that in mind. :]

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Reply #14 on: December 23, 2009, 03:21:40 am
@ben- Umm I didn't mean it to sound rude I just putting my words in a way I use everyday. I forget outside of Australia our speech is oft considered crude. I really just wanted to point the fact out that females don't WANT to see a perfect likeness, the want to see themselves so much more pretty. Only trying to point out that evil eyes looked older. Most women (at least that I've met) do not wish to be reminded of their age.
Hey, I'm Australian! And... it is crude.  :)

I don't agree with this notion of females wanting personal delusions as presents. I have female friends that would scream bloody murder over such a suggestion. But I do understand that the culture we live in does instill this mindset on some women. But even if she did want to be lied to, do you think it's an act of love to oblige her? I think it's cruel, and not befitting of a gift. Just a personal observation.

I started an edit of the first piece before EvilEye came and posted his, which really nails everything I was hoping to say. Nose and cheekbone, various planes around the mouth, destroy the black lines, draw the whole neck.

You also have numerous colours that are redundant in your palette. Try merging similar ones together and cut down what you have to work with. Less is more, in this circumstance.

Your second piece seems to tell more of your workflow with these. It seems like you're analysing values on the reference as you go around the picture and laying them down in similar shapes to how they appear. This is vulnerable to error/misjudgement. You can work faster, and more robustly by simplifying the subject with basic 3d forms (cubes, spheres, cylinders, etc) and breaking surfaces down into simpler planes. You're on a deadline though (christmas?), so it might not be really possible to start trying to take that up now. Still, something to keep in mind. Regardless, be aware some of it is approaching pillow-shading in appearance (2nd piece, forehead, cheeks, under the eyes). The references have very homogeneous lighting, making it hard to use the process you appear to be using.

Be much more careful with the shapes of the eyes and mouths. They're very strong identifying features that can easily put a portrait off.

Hair in the second is extremely thick and dense. Unless it's largely unworked as of yet? Analyse it more carefully (I'm referring to the facial hair, as well).