[Novice Pixel Art]

[micintexp]

I Still didn't shade it yet wich im busy doing atm.

IM watching a example of Schrib thread how exactly to shade and all.

[micintexp]

[micintexp]

Am I going to the right way?

If not please let me know.

[Keizgon]

If I use the other programs there's no other way I could master myself in Byond.

Byond has it as a convienience tool for small editing, really. I frequent Byond, however rarely, and I use GIMP. Just because I can't stand BYOND's little pixel editor doesn't mean I'm a horrible artist. (check my deviantart if you want to compare, it's on my website link here).

To respond to your last post: No you're not. The one before this post had better contrast between color, really. If you're trying to go for a leafy visual, I recommend trying to actually draw a leaf, and small leaves to form patterns, before you draw the tree. IMHO, you should ignore the shading and work with the outline first. Your outline is disproportioned on many levels. For starters trees usually show branches for some detail. Yours looks like it's psyically uncertain of where all the leaves are from. I'm sure there are cartoony appearances like this, but if you're going for a realistic approach, got to show those branches.

Did you draw the one before these 2? Because if you're going for a cartoony approach, that is more of a way to go than what you're doing now with these last 2.

But for some odd reason I just can't handle it with 5 brush size ._.'

Sometimes you have to go lower. I personally use brush size 1 for all my drawing/details (excluding large parts of coloring of course). It takes time, just be patient. I think you're just trying to rush your way through this. It isn't easy, but you'll get it down!

[micintexp]

Lets not talk on the byond program now,that was a old discussion.


The tree im gonna try this one without branches,not realy wanted to put leaves since you need the branches in order to know where you want to put the leaves and all,more like trying to go this one as one of the cartoon trees and so.
Something near the line like this

[Keizgon]

You're changing your perspective again? No...this is why you're going all over the place. Stay with 1 source (just pick something realistic, not a cartoony drawing like that it's a horrible example!) and focus on what you're trying to achieve. Don't skip something, you're trying to learn it! The closer to realism is more professional than any cartoon drawing.

[CrazyMLC]

I think that you need a sense of reality to bend reality.

Start with the basics, do it the average way, the standard way.
Then you can adapt it to what you want, and do it your own way.


Please find a picture of a tree and try to imitate it, micintexp.

[Conzeit]

see, that tree there is a caricture of real trees. Now, if you go and copy someone else's caricature...you're just passing on judgement, you're not making your own statement. Go and take a picture of a tree, and draw what YOU think it should look like if you wanted to draw it without singling out every little leaf. You might learn that maybe doing every leaf wasnt really that hard!

[LoTekK]

Acualy I can draw a better tree in real life but I still make it crappy in GG .

Scan/take a photo of a tree sketch and show it in your next post, so we can at least see just how much help you need with fundamentals.

Pixel-specific, work smaller. Really. It's a lot less painful to work small, work fast, and if it's a lost cause, you can toss it without having spent a long time pixelling a large piece. The animated gif I posted earlier was 32x32, which allowed me to make a really quick animated example that wouldn't take too much time to clean up and refine. I'll say it again: work smaller.

Additional bonus to working smaller: you can actually look at proper pixel placement/relation, which is effectively the whole point of pixel art.

edit:
Figured I could use the practise myself, so a quick example, this time with reference, and slightly bigger (still only 64x64, as opposed to the 200x200 pieces you insist on working on)

ref: http://www.happyvalleyfdn.org/images/harris-walnut_tree.jpg



Again, this is sans refinement. It's just a quick block-in to show you what people are trying to say about focusing on the big shapes, getting the form down, instead of sweating the little things like lines, which are useless without structure. The main takeaways from this are:

1. work loosely for now, get the overall structure correct
2. USE REFERENCE. (and I mean photos, not illustrations that other artists have done)

[Elk]

Totally agree with Conceit,
and don't always ask "Is this the right way?"
Get some self-criticism