GR#012 - Bridge to Eden - Perspective

[Dex]

Oh hey, glad to see more critique, I whole-heartedly enjoy it =)

Alright, what to start with. I'll go ahead and say you're all exactly right and I need to work on the perspective at once. I've already begun trying to give the trees more volume, life, and shape, and I've been changing stuff sporadically.

Anyways, I'm glad you're satisfied with it Gil, and at first I thought all I needed to do now was finish it, but I was wrong and that's the exact reason I posted here- as Helm said, to increase my knowledge and help me get better at what I'm attempting. At big brother's comment about certain things being in a triangle- that's something I'll mess with now too.

Mathias, none of this feels like any bashing at all- you've all already given me the 'you've got the stuff to make this a great scene' boost, and now I'm here to listen to your critique and fix what truly needs to be finished.

Thanks for posting the image, Mathias. It's the ref I used in the sketching stage. Everything else was out of my own mind...

But anyways- thanks for what you've all said so far. I truly need to work on giving my shapes more life and form, and that's something I hope to improve by the next post, which should be either tonight or this weekend.

Stay tuned!~

[alkaline]

mm, you know how i feel about this piece dex  helm and mathias pretty much summed up my old convos about it. but that being said, yes, it is very pleasing to look at. your colors are always pretty spot on in this case, works great with the soft painting feeling to it. all you need is the extra bit of understanding how volumes and shapes work to go with your style. see, every once and a while i'm not completely useless 

[Dex]

alk, you are never useless <3 thanksees for the crits..

anyways, here's my attempt at making the perspective look a bit better without redoing the bridge in it's entirety. I've not done too much because I've been doing mostly life drawing and such lately, so updates WILL be slow... I've changed the position of the flowers and tried to add more life to the leaves and make them not look as flat. There's also been stuff worked on, but I'm also working on some other stuff too, and there's school and sports, sooo...

[Mathias]

You addressed the big stuff, well done. The tree leaves are way better. My biggest new worry now is the cluster of flowers bottom left, they eat too much focus now, I say less contrast. It feels like bad priorities that my eye keeps being pulled to them. Now just throw in a nuclear mushroom cloud in the distant background and you're golden.

[Dex]

tried addressing both your and david's (on punaji) critiques. i'm drawing closer to a conclusion, but it's still unfinished.

[Mathias]

Sorry Dex, meant to issue a comment earlier. Here's a quick critbarf:

Rope thicknesses still need help, especially 1st and 2nd ropes on left on far-side of bridge, the stylistic "chunkyness" of them is fine, but the thickness going from thick to thin back to thick is distracting, meaning my mind rests on them a whike and I wonder if it was a mistake; if the artist knew he did that, etc.
Flowers, bottom left, still create a dissonant splash of color not seen elsewhere. distribute more flowers around?
across stream on rightmsot side there's a rock half hidden, it and the grass around it don't match in contrast, just drop the rock's contrast I guess, you appear to be reducing the contrast as things get farther away from our POV but you don't do it consistently so the illusions falters - that tree just above the end of the bridge is a prime example.

Hope those few observations are helpful. Keep pixelin'.

[Dex]

Hopefully I fixed the diminishing perspective with some color changes along with the contrast. Also did many many changes, hopefully you can tell. I also added more flowers in the scene, as per your suggestion, Mathias.



Any more observations? I've worked on this forever and am growing a bit tired of it. Thanks!

[EvilEye]

Any fixes would require you to redo the entire thing. Specifically fixing the screwy perspective with the bridge and river.

There also seems to be a contrast problem in a lot of spots. Like the dark black under the bridge vs the medium grey in the grass all around it. This further screws with the perspective, not only making the far side of the bridge look closer then it should be, but makes the bridge itself look flat. This contrast problem is prolific on the left side of the picture as well. I realize you aren't going for realism here, but it still hurts the piece.

Ignoring all that, the pixelwork is good especially on the bridge posts, the clouds and the water. I'd call it done and move on to the next piece.

[Dex]

David at Punaji said he liked the contrast shifts from the right to the left side of the picture, because it makes a subtle shift in that 'garden of Eden is light, otherworld is dark' thing, but if you don't mind would you tell me what I need to change about the left side in terms of contrast? It's supposed to be fairly darker.

Either way I'll fix the bottom of the bridge. Thanks!

[Dex]

Oi~ I finished this, here's the PJ link: http://pixeljoint.com/pixelart/48387.htm



thanks for all the comments and crits guys, it helped me a lot. not looking to change anything at this point, i'm quite busy these days...