AuthorTopic: GR#003 - Spritework (Nudity) - Sprite Process Critique  (Read 15454 times)

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Taking another break to do some art. Feel free to comment.

-SPRITE-

Sketch:



Progress:

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-PORTRAIT-

Reference:

http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w104/chris_6713/p3.gif

Sketch:

This first sketch took a while and I wasn't happy with the result ( too rigid and boring ). I am posting it just for the hell of it.



I did another one which was more dynamic and decided to use it instead.



Progress:

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In-game screenshot:

« Last Edit: April 06, 2009, 03:55:27 pm by EvilEye »

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Re: SpriteWork ( partial nudity )

Reply #1 on: March 29, 2009, 11:19:16 pm
Good drawing.

One thing that immediately bugs me is the wing color; first of all, I feel like it's too light, and make it something other than blue, maybe black, because right now it blends with the hair immensely.  Perhaps a dark... something.  Red maybe, the whole piece is rather light.  The wings should be made something dark IMO.

Sprite has strange shading;  perchance a bit too sparse.  Not sure, edit soon maybe.

Good work.
Later
Shrike

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Re: SpriteWork ( partial nudity )

Reply #2 on: March 29, 2009, 11:24:10 pm
I finished coloring it and reduced the contrast. Hows it look to you guys?

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Re: SpriteWork ( partial nudity )

Reply #3 on: March 29, 2009, 11:28:09 pm
Critique still applies from my last post.   :lol:

Nice job, I like the sprite.  But do make the wings black, or a dark color.  Perchance more contrast on the sprite?

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Re: SpriteWork ( partial nudity )

Reply #4 on: March 29, 2009, 11:57:51 pm
Here's some black wings for you then. Changed around the colors again.

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Re: SpriteWork ( partial nudity )

Reply #5 on: March 30, 2009, 12:03:33 am
You have a very strong angle in the middle of the right upper leg, and a more round shape at the calves in your sketch. I like the contrast of these 2 occurences, as well as te stylishness of the sharp edged leg to begin with. Considerable to bring it back in?
Further I recommend you to define some hip-bone and work on the hair to give it more texture.

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Re: SpriteWork ( partial nudity )

Reply #6 on: March 30, 2009, 12:51:19 am
Ok, think I got the calve and the hips. Not sure what you mean by more hair texture. Hard to do at that size. Maybe show me with an edit?

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Re: SpriteWork ( partial nudity )

Reply #7 on: March 30, 2009, 01:17:39 am
Wing edit. Currently it looks really insubstantial and the inner curve has verry harsh angles. This is one direction you could go to fix that. I love the body though. Good work. : )

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Re: SpriteWork ( partial nudity )

Reply #8 on: March 30, 2009, 01:45:47 am
Here's critique.

You do not gain from having worked from a high resolution cg image because it does not help you think like a pixel artist.
At this resolution, how powerful is a single-pixel fat line? The black lines outside overpower the soft sading inside (squint your eyes) and they invalidate it. It's like it doesn't exist. The pixel clusters are merging into a big blob of yellow.

The problem is further exacerbated by that, due to following the cg image you have created a lot of 'connection points' where the outlines of various forms on different planes converge on the same spot, and flatten the image. Look where the left wing touches the hair and the other wing. Look where the long hair touches the legs. What is in front? What is in the back?

You're not shading as if your forms is made of pixels. You're shading as if the pixels and the forms are separate things. You have in your mind visualized the forms from the cg and are resisting in using your colors to make the whole thing MERGE into something made of pixels, pixel art. The contrast is borrowed from the reference and as such doesn't work. You are lacking darker range because the reference is done like comic art. Black lines and a light middle shade for the body, more or less. This won't work for pixel art of this size, of this subject matter, of this aesthetic. You'll have to sculpt it with a full range of color. For instance think of the back leg, why is it almost the same value as the fore leg? Shouldn't they be separated with shading so the player knows what they're looking at?

A big part of the problem I see here is that from checking the png I see you're not actually working much like a pixel artist. You have shades that are underused in just a few pixels, you have a broken alpha mask that you simply don't need for something made of 16 colors like this. Your methods are obstructing you from becoming a pixel artist. What is your goal from using pixels to do this sprite? You need to switch mindsets if you really want to use pixels for these small sprites.

This image is extremely challenging to properly shade without arriving at selout hell because of that there are so many curves to convey in such a space where a single pixel row worth of difference is too steep a move. It takes masterful skill to get it to work both on black and white backgrounds without using black outlines or selout. Selout is not my taste, but why didn't I use black outlines, you might ask? Because your image in not made from outlines and fill-ins, it's made of PIXEL CLUSTERS and they need to be addressed as such. Pieces of shading conveying volumes under light, outlines only diminish the womanly form here.

Simplify the wings, even go with pure black if you like (though I like the ambient blue personally), the more they merge with the hair, the worse for the piece.
Shade as if you're doing pixel art. I can't explain this any further. It's different from when you're shading something with pixels that in your mind is still a CG image. Avoid the banding issues you have, work on your curves as much as possible.



edit: also wanted to mention that at this size the reference image betrays you and it mostly looks like she's an amputee, better have the arm extended I'd say. In the bigger CG version it could work, here, more clarity is needed.

« Last Edit: March 30, 2009, 01:48:31 am by Helm »

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Re: SpriteWork ( partial nudity )

Reply #9 on: March 30, 2009, 02:48:46 am
That's an interesting edit Helm, but its a wild deviation from my style. There are a few spots where I see some improvement though.

I think I get the gist of what you are saying. Translating the sketch into pixels as accurately as possible was indeed my goal. Your saying this is a problem?

Heres an edit that should fix the wings ( I hope ). Thanks to hey13 for pointing that out.

« Last Edit: March 30, 2009, 02:51:57 am by EvilEye »