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Re: Girl sprite

Reply #10 on: March 21, 2009, 12:39:17 am
Well first off, the reason for the lines problem is you aren't defining volume first. Use solid shades to define the shape, do the outline after you have a good solid shape and the volume feels right.

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Re: Girl sprite

Reply #11 on: March 21, 2009, 12:46:58 am
Quote from: lollige
Now as I said in the beginning of this topic: I would just like to be able to draw female characters. Preferably the same way as I draw males: Without much thinking, without anatomy studies, but just by doing the best I can without.
I strongly urge you NOT to rely on your imagination as a source of anatomical advice. Anatomy is complex and nuanced, and memory is prone to excluding and distorting things. You can't learn French unless you learn the grammar, structure, and pronunciation, and you can't learn to draw a female without a reference! I drew superheroes for years before putting genuine effort into anatomy study, and I had to unlearn a lot of things I got plain wrong.

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That problem is hard to explain, but in the end it always comes down to that I will have to draw a line 50 times before having the perfect one in it. And if you are drawing realistically, you need those perfect lines.
But even though I might not be able to produce something nice, it is a good practice.
This is true, at first. But, you know the saying, "Practice makes perfect." Drawing does get faster and easier as your brain, eyes, and hands learn to work with each other in unison.

So, there's some good news, and some bad news. The good news is: there is no secret to drawing. There is no wise old sage meditating atop a mountain who holds the inner secrets of art. If you study and practice, you get better. The bad news is: there is no secret to drawing! The only way to better yourself is to dedicate yourself to what you do, constantly. You only get out as much as you put in.

Drawing isn't easy, nor is it hard. It's a skill; a muscle that you must exercise like any other. Drawing is also fun, expressive, and popular with kittens and cute girls! So, um. Draw!

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Re: Girl sprite

Reply #12 on: March 21, 2009, 10:45:33 am
Relying on my imagination is the easiest (which is not the same as the fastest or the best) way to learn to draw just what I want to draw. But yes, you are right. I learned English without that grammar, structure and pronunciation. The result of that is that there were tiny mistakes everywere (and still) which I just did not know off, and had stayed for much longer time as needed. However, this also enabled me to never think about English, and never having to bother myself with learning English in a way I did not like.
I think the same goes up with this anatomy thing, my preferred (but slow) way would be to first have my memory collect loose parts of information, and once I am a few steps further connect those things with proper and relyable knowledge. Yes, this might also include unlearning. But is the aim to have fun or is the aim to do things perfect? ;)
Anyway, now that I have came here already, ill try my best as long as I am working on this to also develop my anatomy knowledge by sketching and whatnot.

Than about the practise makes perfect thing: I really am limited in my fine motoric skill in a way I can not explain. Of course, I am able to improve, but not able to get perfect. For the same reasons no one will ever be able to read my hand writing.
But excuses wont get me any further in life, so I will keep on trying, practising and drawing :)
And there are secrets to drawing, I find new ones every day :). But knowing them does not automatically improve things  ::)

Back to the artwork, thats what we are here for :)
I took your advice, daemon, to create volumes instead of lines. I am quite used to lines, but in the past few months I am realizing more and more what you can do by creating shapes of colors instead of loose lines :)
I drew over the original with some bigger brushes, and came to this.



Am I heading in the right direction? Of course nothing is cleaned, but maybe there are now already things to be point out :)

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Re: Girl sprite

Reply #13 on: March 21, 2009, 07:17:41 pm
Face too square! Face too square!  :'(

I think this may be your style, since I see it often in your work, but the masculine chin is reallly hurting the piece.

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Re: Girl sprite

Reply #14 on: March 22, 2009, 12:36:16 pm
ChooChoo train.
There's a real lack of any definition here Lollige! I know it's in early stages, but it's hard to make out what's going on at all.
I can't really see what's she's supossed to be doing with her hands. And just her whole body looks sort of blob-ish.

That's not the only problem though: Anatomy is another big issue here.
Her head seems to be kind of strange and too big, her legs are too short, and what's going on with her breasts?
They kind of seem grown together or something.
There's just a real lack of definition everywhere which really obscures the anatomy. I really would suggest drawing a more sollid base when you draw anatomy.

Anyway, I made an edit for you:


I changed alot, as you can see. I added more definition to her body, and I corrected most anatomy flaws.
I also added more definition to her face and tried to make her look feminine. Also made her hair looks somewhat more interesting.
I made her legs longer. Or well, I shortened her body a bit. I also made her head smaller.

Hope it helps.

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Re: Girl sprite

Reply #15 on: March 23, 2009, 08:42:57 pm
Ah, the anatomy issues, finally :)
Yes, it helps!

I really hate the fact I can not make skin tones by myself properly without having an example :/. This time I used your edit as example, and it turned out ok. but thats it.

Anyway

I used yours a lot as referrence, and tried to understand what I was doing while copying. It surely improved, also because I cleaned up a lot of things.
I decided the hands are bust, and probably both arms will have to be redone.

I made the legs longer, the face a lot smaller (I really did not see the problem until after 20 minutes of drawing legs or so..? xD)
Tried to define as much things as possible (which I find very difficult, just as getting the volume right everywhere).


Any anatomy problems left here?
Anything else you want to share?


Trying the outlines opacus had used:
« Last Edit: March 23, 2009, 10:15:01 pm by lollige »

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Re: Girl sprite

Reply #16 on: March 24, 2009, 03:56:50 pm
the face seems to have no clarity, maybe because your trying to fit too much detal there? I'd simplify it so its much more readable.
I've not got anything interesting to type here..

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Re: Girl sprite

Reply #17 on: March 25, 2009, 03:39:45 am
Not entirely certain what you were going for here (lazy, lazy me - I didn't even read the topic description as my brain barely functions tonight), but here's my edit.


I changed her quite a bit
 - Shortened her midsection as it looked unreasonably long to me.
 - Decreased the chest height.
 - Changed the face - her eyes are closed... are they supposed to be closed?
 - Slightly changed the leg position - again - not sure if this is the pose you were going for.
 - Slightly altered her hands. I wasn't certain what was she doing before.
 - Reshaded some parts.
 - Sorry for giving her panties: )

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Re: Girl sprite

Reply #18 on: March 25, 2009, 03:19:15 pm
Yes, the face. Thats quite much a problem.
The eyes were supposed to look closed yes, but that can still change.
Anyway:

Thanks a lot for your edit Falz!
I had just started on the cloths, but thanks to this I will rethink and redo quite a few body parts too. I quickly gave the stance on one leg a try but that seemed harder then I guessed.
You have also done some beautiful things with the arms and hands I will surely use!

I find it quite funny, that while Opacus made a quite skinny girl from it, you have added some volume :p
The second is where I got just playing quickly with the legs. But ill work on it more soon!
« Last Edit: March 25, 2009, 03:21:58 pm by lollige »

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Re: Girl sprite

Reply #19 on: March 25, 2009, 06:56:55 pm
Some critique.

What bugs me most is that those jeans look like they are made from rubber...well if you want them to be from rubber than its ok. Left leg is moved backward so you should change the jean according to it. Her face looks like it was a man... and should she hold her forearm like that? It looks like she wants to stop blood recirculation.

Otherwise you made some major progress and its looking good...keep up the good work and it will turn out really pretty.