PJ Portrait [WIP]

[lollige]

Arnes palette, dogmeats idea, my face.

I use a small mirror next to me, but my aim is at the moment not to make it look like me as much as possible now, its hard enough without that too. Anyway, here is my wip!



Any tips? 

[hotnikkelz]

your nose looks a bit distorted unless that's how u really look heh. Polaroids > mirrors. Better reference

[lollige]

Im feeling lucky about this. This is topic nr 7777 o.O

Anyway
I slightly changed the nose, but further more I think it looks like me .
I wish I knew what to do with the hair.

With a camera I get a static image, I think its more learnful (for me) to use this mirror now . Also I can slightly change my pose or whatever when I want, and I can check things about volume just by rotating my head

[lollige]

Finished, I think?

[CaKsTeR]

No hair shading?

[Jad]

wait wait wait, weird shading was much better than no shading at all! Right now he's just brown! Just choose a lightsource, determine what areas are the most hit by the light and put the highlights there! you were on the right track! Don't lose it!

[Ian]

Yes the latest is too lacking in shading but it does make one change I really like and removes the dithering which only made your skin look grainy.  So I would spread that highlight but keep with not having any dithering.

Also, you're definitely right about what you said about using a mirror.  Always work from life if you can afford to, don't use photographs unless it's necessary (though with self portraits it can be hard to pose yourself and work at the same time but if you can pull it off go for it).

[lollige]

I never really realized before that much that you can add so much more contrast without changing the palette!

Dogmeat made me this beautiful edit:


I realized that the yellow would not look that bright and weird, if I made the dark part darker.
And so I did, basing my edit a lot on Dogmeats version



I think there is a lot of improvement, and I surely learned a lot, but now again its not really finished. I am not to sure about the hair, it needs to more like me and other things just need some more attention from me too.
But... what do you guys think now?
All your help is still more than helpful

EDIT:

[lollige]

I messed with it some more to see if this would work.



But it didn't

I feel its finished. Do you guys too?
Also, I have discovered that Arnes palette really is not made for portraits, but I liked the challenge to make something of it

[Opacus]

It still looks rather rough to me. Try to refine it some more.
Lot's of rough lines still, lack of AA where there could be.

And yeah I'm not so sure about using Arne's pallete here. But that's your choice.

[lollige]

AA what with what colors? This palette does not offer many inbetween colors :p

[Arne]

One trick is to avoid gradients, stick to stylized flats. Then you have more colors over for AA, perhaps.

It's tricky though, since this palette has no skin tone, I it had to go in favor of bringing in another color. The palette isn't really suitable for larger motifs. Now you have to use light and shadow to give the appearance of an in-between color (the eye will calculate the local color of the subject by estimating the lighting situation).

[lollige]

I think I do understand the gradient trick, but it is not getting much better from it..



Id love to understand the second too.
But I do not
Can you show me an example or so?

And this palette is indeed not made for this Arne

[skamocore]

How about something more like this:



I also tried to use a more neutral bg to make your face stand out more and also added a border.

[Dogmeat]

How about something more like this:



I also tried to use a more neutral bg to make your face stand out more and also added a border.

The right side of the mouth ( our right ) still bulges out too much. Its like "real" bagel lips, and no-one wants those.
I do like this edit though, a few more tweaks, and a few more, keep workin it Lollige!