AuthorTopic: alisha (Read 13810 times)

balls01 · **on:** January 02, 2009, 04:47:44 pm

hey everyone and everyone else.

i have a new attempt at a portrait this time i think im more organised and correct and i havnt rushed ahead. this time coloring i used 8 directions and then rounded them. the hair is how it starts out. ptoing maybe might remember me asking about this outline but ive redone the outline and not traced i drew it and fixed it up. might still look similar because i think i measured the differ in each line art.

well enough with the jibber jabber and down to the wipper wapper

reference: http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/119/p20120816081de6.jpg

Atnas · **Reply #1 on:** January 02, 2009, 04:55:41 pm

I don't want to register on myspace to view your reference

It might help if you stop thinking so much about the lines. They're constricting your work and making it lifeless, static, and boring. You won't get anywhere fast by making precise one pixel outlines when a lot of it will wind up being changed along the road.

This is also a bit big, it might be better to shrink it so you can work on the pixel level. I think of it as the lesser area, the lesser chance you have to screw up. And it's true, you get a lot more control when things are smaller.

Dr D · **Reply #2 on:** January 02, 2009, 09:58:32 pm

The profile is private anyway. >.>

Jim16 · **Reply #3 on:** January 02, 2009, 11:22:22 pm

Then why give the reference, if we can't look at it?

Edit:
Your right Quake, so something should be said.
your tones of colours are rough, and seem like a gradient. So yeah tomuch contrast, But I know you have seen this already.
As for the breasts...IF I see a girl with nipples that wide and big....well I call you up and tell you how the night went XD

Wait is that here breast or her leg? I'm confused now. If it is her leg/thigh then why are you showing the knee when, you know where the knee would be by looking at where the lower leg is.

If it is a breast, then why is it coming out of her shoulder, I think(I'm not sure) that it should be a bit lower and a bit in(this differs on the girl[I still want to see the referance?]. Well out of time. I have to go to sleep. hope some of this helped.

Quake · **Reply #4 on:** January 02, 2009, 11:29:18 pm

what's with the arm on the right? Although, ptoing does this (i think).. i don't think it's a good strategy for you. He has a more adept understanding of lightning than you and i (no offence) and i think it won't help you in anyway.

On the side note.. i think you should delete jim16's and Dr D's post.... It's kind of a waste and a one liner..

balls01 · **Reply #5 on:** January 03, 2009, 03:24:55 am

Quote from: Atnas on January 02, 2009, 04:55:41 pm

This is also a bit big, it might be better to shrink it so you can work on the pixel level. I think of it as the lesser area, the lesser chance you have to screw up. And it's true, you get a lot more control when things are smaller.

yeah i was thinking last night of making it smaller, i seem to have greater sucession with smaller images

Quote from: Jim16

Then why give the reference, if we can't look at it?

Edit:
Your right Quake, so something should be said.
your tones of colours are rough, and seem like a gradient. So yeah tomuch contrast, But I know you have seen this already.
As for the breasts...IF I see a girl with nipples that wide and big....well I call you up and tell you how the night went XD

sorry jim but im sad to say that her breasts arent showing at all in this picture. shes lying down i think your looking at her dress and then her legs pointing in the air

as for reference im sorry for the inconveniance here we go http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/119/p20120816081de6.jpg

i made it smaller, and got eid if the colors and im going to redo them but heres it so far, i cant get her eyes right.

Jim16 · **Reply #6 on:** January 03, 2009, 07:29:44 am

Thanks for cleaning up bad air "cough".
Yeah, makes more sense now with the cleaned up line art.
I'd recomend finishing the line art first before you carry on. Otherwise you'll have loads of trouble getting it right in the future.

balls01 · **Reply #7 on:** January 03, 2009, 03:33:54 pm

i fixed up the eye

any more nibbles at the outline

Chris2balls · **Reply #8 on:** January 03, 2009, 03:46:21 pm

http://www.wayofthepixel.net/pixelation/index.php?topic=7424.0
The crits, techniques, etc given here should help you. I have the impression you have the same problem as the topic creator: you rely too much on the line art. Anyway don't thank me, but the people who originally wrote those words of wisdom

balls01 · **Reply #9 on:** January 03, 2009, 04:26:30 pm

i will test out this meathod because it will be as much of a learning experience than it was for him, maily because i always start with an outline.

im not very fond of mr paint brush it looks incredibly bad. i seriously feel i just wasted an hour of my life

but then again i just remembered this shouldnt be as hard as i thaught for me to pick up, loot at my avatar, i did it exactly like this

Chris2balls · **Reply #10 on:** January 03, 2009, 08:07:11 pm

What I do is pick out different colours for different parts. Then do the lineart, put the real colours in etc.

`Rob · **Reply #11 on:** January 04, 2009, 01:39:38 am

Hi Balls - I've made you an edit which hopefully you'll find helpful

albeit a rushed one, especially the hair which i did at no zoom and with the biggest ms paint brush haha.

Right, please loose your black outlines! they're really restricting you, especially on the nose.

You seem to be sticking to how, conventionally, a face should look. study your reference more to try and capture your subjects' personality and character.

hope this helps - Rob.

ps - i like your warm colour choices for the skin

edit: actually i think i've gone too mad on the white highlights

balls01 · **Reply #12 on:** January 04, 2009, 06:33:40 am

you mean loosening like eradicate them or don't follow the lines to how it should be colored?

edit: ive been analysing what you have said and i still dont catch your drift

Ai · **Reply #13 on:** January 04, 2009, 09:56:05 pm

he almost certainly means loose as in 'a misspelling'

`Rob · **Reply #14 on:** January 04, 2009, 11:56:46 pm

ah sorry, typo! i meant 'lose' haha.

balls01 · **Reply #15 on:** January 05, 2009, 04:08:29 am

haha that was embarasing for both of us =D that was rather OT.

maybe go by my smaller version? i rather like that idea.

balls01 · **Reply #16 on:** January 06, 2009, 10:28:11 am

hey all,

i swear it has been like 1000.5 days since i posted that last one but the forum never lies so i guess not

well ive done it so the shades arent so far apart but then i decided not to, so its bit clashed. and looking at 'robs edit i referenced it instead because i dont want to use edits for this one, i tried to get the values right

there is le edit

edit: ive started the hair but i forgot about the lips. i am in dire need im failing miserably

Chris2balls · **Reply #17 on:** January 06, 2009, 06:05:13 pm

Somebody's already said so but get rid of those outlines, they're restricting you, and not necessarily restricting you in the right way. For instance the lips aren't the right shape, the eyes aren't close enough together, etc...

Dr D · **Reply #18 on:** January 06, 2009, 08:12:42 pm

Just try to pay closer attention and her emphasize her appealing details, and flesh them out more. Also, like `Rob said, try to capture her personality and character. Just something you shouldn't forget as you move forward.

Personally I'd like to see you progress more, color everything in, start on some of the other details, before I, and maybe others, can give better critique. There's just not a lot to crit on right now.

balls01 · **Reply #19 on:** January 07, 2009, 11:29:15 am

im definately getting round house kicked in the head then curb stomped with these lips im failing miserably(atleast im honest).

heres my edit expressing those parts minus lips

in my documents when i select it. the preview is alongside the photo and theyr starting to become duplicates of eachother som im guessing thats good

TrevoriuS · **Reply #20 on:** January 07, 2009, 12:10:46 pm

You have a slight dark spot, to articulate the deltoid (shoulder muscle), but then below it, no new muscles are highlighted, the contrast of super bright on top of the shoulder, going down the arm just as bright, and then vanishing as that specific muscle ends, makes it rather weird, as if the other muscles are gone and it's just a hole that reaches to the bone...

balls01 · **Reply #21 on:** January 07, 2009, 01:45:12 pm

not catching on ill look up some muscle diagrams to see what you mean.

Dr D · **Reply #22 on:** January 07, 2009, 07:24:41 pm

Hey balls01,

I noticed you were having a little trouble with her lip amongst other things.

I've whipped up an edit to display how the lip may look:

Far from complete, just a rough edit to show how you may handle some things better. Looking back at it now, I'd probably add a little more shadow to the right side of her nose to show how slender it is, for instance.

When creating the lips, I added a ton of colors, that are likely unnecessary, sorry about that.

There are quite some many other things I've touched up upon too.

Such as the shape of her face / jawline. It is much more petite in the reference as compared to the roundness you have now. If you look closely, the side of her face goes down to her chin in a sharp angle.

I fixed her eyes and nose slightly to be a little more emphasized / correct.

Her facial features.. The current facial features you have aren't aligned properly (IE. The highlight on her chin for instance, is too 'horizontal', and instead should be parallel to her face.) I added some more facial features and brought them out more, as well as editing current parts to be more correct with the reference. You had some shadow/highlight spots that just didn't comply at all, and I do wonder why you put them in the places you did.

I would do a little more, because I've grown to really like doing edits, but it IS your piece, and not mine. You are the one that must learn from it.

Also, what I think TrevoriuS was talking about, was that you should define the muscle under the indent ('cut') a bit more, highlight it. And bring the cut all the way to the side of her arm.

Overall, though, I'm impressed with how far you've come since October (which is when you became active), and such little time.

balls01 · **Reply #23 on:** January 08, 2009, 02:38:34 am

holy mother of jesus, i really apreciate that edit! (its really tempting to claim as my own, but i wont

)
sorry those lips were amazing i had to (i removed a bucket of colors, there werent that many)

lets start other features.
hair, eyes, arms, that blinkin dress of hers and legs

balls01 · **Reply #24 on:** January 10, 2009, 01:35:42 pm

i started doing some detail in that face. parts where the darkness clashes with the bright but still has to go on im struggling with. so i just AA it.

balls01 · **Reply #25 on:** January 12, 2009, 01:47:53 pm

very dismal day down at pixelation today hasn't it...

well heres another edit i need help on a way to lose that non-smooth dark shades, maybe another meathod or something please help

also in some parts i feel i over dithered also

Atnas · **Reply #26 on:** January 12, 2009, 11:05:13 pm

I think it's a bit early to dither... Things still need to be fixed into proportion, like the cheek she isn't leaning on. try flipping it and the reference so you can catch some of the errors you may have missed by getting too accustomed to it.

Sometimes it's easy to get carried away and render before the foundation is actually done, but it's much better to get the basic undithered masses right before you start. It's like how my old art teacher told my class to work in passes, first you work out the basic shapes in proportion to each other, then you tighten the positive and negative space a bit, then you start to give the shapes basic values, eventually getting to the final pass of refining and adding your darkest darks and lightest lights, or in this case, dithering. Because pixel art is so opaque, this step can not rest beneath others, where in pencil drawings you can build up with varying opacity.

balls01 · **Reply #27 on:** January 13, 2009, 04:28:55 am

oh bugger. so the cheek needs to be flipped while were back tracking are there any other places

balls01 · **Reply #28 on:** January 14, 2009, 06:17:02 pm

thanks to NaCl that gave me a quick little edit he helped me do these dark shades. and it ended up looking a little like this

im sorry but i disagree thinking I'm not done getting the shades right. if there is one i missed i will gladly add

Atnas · **Reply #29 on:** January 14, 2009, 11:15:08 pm

I meant flipping the whole image, sorry for miscommunication. Doing so will help you look at it more objectively.

balls01 · **Reply #30 on:** January 15, 2009, 01:00:37 am

thats a very neat trick there.

i did help me find some good misses there

balls01 · **Reply #31 on:** January 17, 2009, 08:44:06 am

well i tried to go along and do the hair myself but i decided that i might want some super awesome opinions.

i did the master trick said by atnas, man its an awesome trick.

balls01 · **Reply #32 on:** January 18, 2009, 09:00:09 am

update.

please help please im getting desperate now

balls01 · **Reply #33 on:** January 18, 2009, 03:30:57 pm

hey hey,

well ive done some work with my newly assigned friend Jonathanofdrain

this is what we came up with

balls01 · **Reply #34 on:** January 19, 2009, 01:01:07 pm

edit:

come on please please please please please. (by the way im going to keep replying untill i am helped because i know i wont be able to do it on my own)

Corinthian Baby · **Reply #35 on:** January 19, 2009, 01:15:44 pm

Don't use so much dithering it looks like she's made out of sand. The hair isn't the right color and isn't dark enough.

Btw begging and looking pathetic ironically or whatever doesn't make people want to help you, so you're helping others ignore the topic.

balls01 · **Reply #36 on:** January 19, 2009, 01:43:44 pm

well im not getting any replies.

i removed as much irelevant dithering i could

thank you for the crit

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