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Re: Official Off-Topic Thread

Reply #2050 on: June 08, 2011, 08:42:05 am
Kids, don't do drugs, 'coz drugs 'r bad, nnkay?  :crazy:

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Re: Official Off-Topic Thread

Reply #2051 on: June 09, 2011, 05:55:08 am
Cure, cant really respond right now I havent read all your comment and it's a bit late at night to do that, but you should be aware that the "dome" analogy is specifical to DMT in a heroic dose, so it's not a catch all entheogenic analogy. I find that each component has its own set of sensations, but that statement about not wanting to explain the experience, even to yourself I can definitively relate to in general :p

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Re: Official Off-Topic Thread

Reply #2052 on: June 09, 2011, 02:58:45 pm


geeze you guys, didn't know tripping was so prevalent. surprising . . .

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Re: Official Off-Topic Thread

Reply #2053 on: June 09, 2011, 03:13:59 pm
I've almost never taken any drugs and I'm glad there hasn't been judgment on these posts by us squares. Thank you sincerily for sharing your experiences.

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Re: Official Off-Topic Thread

Reply #2054 on: June 09, 2011, 05:14:16 pm
The extent of my 'journeying' was just twice right out of high school with robotussin with a girl and then another time with LSD, a set of speakers on either side of my head just playing music while looking at patterns (that was insane). The first time I tried that, it was a 5 hour adventure sitting on my bed where everything was a completely disconnected reality. If I put my head under a blanket I was traveling through a completely black world on a zip-line miles away from a majestic neon city, constantly riding toward it and into the heart of it.  It was literally like something out of an old vectrex system where it was all made of neon vectors. Pretty indescribable of an experience all around, but it was definitely an experience.  With a child, there is not really any chance that I will be going on any trips for a long long time, but it is interesting to read about your encounters with it :P

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Re: Official Off-Topic Thread

Reply #2055 on: June 10, 2011, 12:40:04 am

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Re: Official Off-Topic Thread

Reply #2056 on: June 10, 2011, 12:44:44 am
Kids shouldn't do drugs, for the same reasons kids shouldn't drive automobiles or have children or sign mortgage contracts. However, many adults could probably improve their lives with recreational/social drug use. Drugs and humans have coexisted for a long, long time. Modern notions of drugs are skewed (at least here in America) towards pinning all drugs as dark temptations detrimental to any person. I can say for sure that human civilization would have destroyed itself long ago if alcohol never exited.

It's interesting hearing from people having deeply religious and/or life changing experiences from psychedelic drugs. My experiences have been pretty straightforward sensory adventures. I have never experienced anything like the "ego death" that many people talk about. Nor have I ever gotten closer to god. But I think that might have a lot to do with me reading Carl Jung during my formative years.
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Re: Official Off-Topic Thread

Reply #2057 on: June 10, 2011, 12:57:19 am
you'll like this http://youtu.be/m7z25MrF1hk

Reminded me of this part of Koyaanisqatsi:

http://youtu.be/Sps6C9u7ras?t=1h53s

Which I would recommend anyone on this topic to watch the whole of.

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Re: Official Off-Topic Thread

Reply #2058 on: June 10, 2011, 08:44:47 am
All great things. Helm, those french fry road zones and The Sims diamond logo highways were almost as treacherous and peril-filled as the mandrill maze (a place I send my enemies to).

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Re: Official Off-Topic Thread

Reply #2059 on: June 12, 2011, 07:26:52 pm
(Know that the videos in this post are supplementary, in case you want to expand on a point I'm making)

totally agree kids shouldnt do drugs...well atleast kids born in OUR culture....some abiriginal cultures have kids on entheogens from the early age, so when we go on a bad trip or something like that a chaman looks at us the way we would look at a grown up if he pulled a tantrum or something silly like that, in many ways we are like big selfish consumer man babies to them. Of course, indigenous kids are born in a culture where you are taught how to be wise about these things, in our culture whe
n a kid does something like this he does it for entertaiment, to get away from the problems of life, which is exactly the opposite of what it should be, it should be a journey into yourself....really our stance on drugs is just about the worst one to have.

Cure, the term i've been using for hallucinogens "enthoegen" very much points toward that idea that this is a sacred mindspace like nirvana, it literally means "the generator of god within", this is pretty much what I felt ayahuasca to be.

Helm, you say you havent done "many" drugs? sounds like you have atleast cursory introduction...:p I think you know more than you let on.

For anyone reading this that has that feeling that they havent done and WILL NOT DO DRUGS, I want you to atleast not drop everything into that big bag of "drugs" as if it were all one and the same thing, not because you'll try it but to avoid misconceptions about people you meet.

First, we have to recognize WHY should something a plant makes affect our brain? it is strange to think a plant would make something for our brain. What is true is that every substance is effective because because normal human experience that triggers the same sensations in a lesser extent, so what a person takes tells you about their personality. Consider dopamine, this chemical is involved in practically any action you take, it's the stimulant that makes you learn, seek food, etc.

You can start by distinguishing depressants (alcohol) anti depressants (prozac) stimulants (cocaine,caffeine) and halucinogens (ayahuasca, lsd). This is not the only way to classify them but it's a start.

Then, recognize that someone that has done any of these substances isnt inherently an addict, we now have gaming addicts shopping addicts and sex addicts, this is because it's not the object that's addictive, it's the personality. if you've had a surgery you've been given copious amounts of Moprhine and you barely had any widthrawal, and you've not went out to look for ways to get that morphine fix again. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i-4ECrP71rI here's an excellent lecture on that, you can expand on it with the link in the description. He also gives his perspective on Ayahuasca http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_3lweLmQ8o

Then there's the question of taking the extracted psychodelic agent (cocaine) versus the whole plant sans any chemicals (coca leafs). The process of extracting the psychoactive agent involves many chemicals, and often the unnatural chemical form will have several added undesirable side effects, not to mention the fact that it's far more potent than the natural form. Were you to observe a cocaine addict you'd see that they're jumpy accelerated and cant seem to sit still. On the other hand Kogi indigenous people have chewed coca leafs for millenia and on the opposite are the softest genlest and sweetest people you'll meet, the effect is completely different.

The context within which a drug is done, is far more important a factor that you can imagine, if there's someting that drugs defintively do is affect the way we relate to the world, and the stronger the drug the more suceptible to any stimulus you'll be. From personal experience I can tell you that under these states it feels like you may be  emotionaly going trough something that would take a year in a few hours, so someone who carefully builds the context to make this suceptibility a catalyst for inner change is very much different from someone who would do it in any back alley.  I try to build a sacred context when I do anything hallucinogenic/entheogenic, because I find that whenever I reject what the substance is doing to me, the traumatic part beggins to happen. You have invited a mind state into your being you have to be a good host, and be willing to let it do what it does, otherwise you shouldnt have taken it, which is why it's important to know as much as posible about a substance before taking it.

There is a biological notion that plants substitute behavior with chemistry, what this means is that a tree does not just sit there its whole life growing and absorbing nutrients, trees have been shown to take the nutrients at specifical hours of the day, in one big gulp much like when we eat, and they also tweak the chemicals they produce, to atract different animals, in a sense manipulating them into doing what they need, they communicate with the world by creating chemicals. This is not guesswork, this is true description about how plants relate with the world.

There is a theory, and unlike the past statement it IS speculation but it connects back to the question of why plants produce something to affect our brain. Theory is that they do it in order to communicate with us, by producing cannabis everywhere the earth is telling us "hey you hairless chimps, chill out". I take this perspective when I do natural plants and entheogens, I look at it as being a sort of embassador for the animal kingdom, so I ask permission to the plant before I take it, I make sure I surrender completely to the experience before I take it (the indigenous perspective that these are gods is useful in this) and while under its influence I try to watch my behavior and learn from the experience, anything that is learnt should be taken as something serious, and the point of the experience is to capture ideas and bring them back to waking life, create something which brings the message to the rest of mankind. Mckenna has an analogy for that. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R7WjtZnEEiA