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Offline nova

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Ethics

on: April 26, 2008, 12:06:25 pm
Hay!

Is it a bad thing to use the same palette as is used in a game that you like?
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Re: Ethics

Reply #1 on: April 26, 2008, 12:36:02 pm
it's not an ethical bad thing... however it's an artistic bad thing unless it is the BEST palette ever. :D
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Re: Ethics

Reply #2 on: April 26, 2008, 12:55:12 pm
I guess it would depend on why you're using that palette. It could be that you want to test yourself with a restricted palette and you decide that the palette in question would be a good one to use, that would be fine imo. However if you're doing it simply because you can't choose your own palettes, you should learn how to do that yourself - practice makes perfect i guess.

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Re: Ethics

Reply #3 on: April 26, 2008, 06:36:19 pm
I think the key is not taking the same palette from a game but studying it and trying to learn why it works in that game to be able to make your own palette. Study the colors, hue-shifts, combinations and specially the contrast among them.

Sorry for the possible english grammar mistakes.



Edit reason: Fist part of my post was out of place. Sorry for the inconveniences.
« Last Edit: April 29, 2008, 09:44:36 am by pingly »

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Re: Ethics

Reply #4 on: April 26, 2008, 08:13:19 pm
Pingly, that's a separate thread, I think.

Picking out a palette is sort of a separate skill to colouring with one. Using a palette with colours you didn't pick yourself will make you better at seeing in hues, but you'll get a better underlying knowledge of colour harmony if you mix your own palettes. If you want to level in both directions, you should learn to do both. Look at other people's palettes, try to imitate their methods, pick them apart, mix similar palletes to vary effects. There's not anything wrong with using other people's palettes, it really depends what you want.

Off topic, but I'm usually a sticker for spelling, and I've been spelling palette wrong ('pallete') for ages... I'm trying to fix it, but even now I hardly even notice it. I don't seriously think there are other people here cringing at this, but in my capacity as a dude who is passionate about colours and words, it is my secret shame.

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Re: Ethics

Reply #5 on: April 28, 2008, 04:47:52 pm
I stated out using just this one palette (from a game Zombie apocalypse) for a long time. I think it has advantages and disadvantages. I'd recommend you do a bit of both.

off topic: That Tibia perspective messes with my brain - like coming home and finding people have stuck all the furniture and rugs on the ceiling to mess with you.

Technically our stuff won't be our own by default if they change the legislation. I read it on a topic by Conceit I think, where did that go...
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Re: Ethics

Reply #6 on: April 28, 2008, 06:17:40 pm
Hi all. This is my first post in pixelation but I have been a lurker for a long time and I hope to post some of my sprites here soon...

I'm sorry, but my first post is not going to be anything pleasant...

Recently I told Larwick about a site that was using some of his sprites without permission (I saw it by chance)

I wanted to take advantage of this thread about ethics to advertise the pixelartists Community about a contest Cipsoft has started around all their supported Tibia Fansites (I suppose you know tibia is a 2D MMORPG) to design a special sprite... And many art-thiefs have appeared...

I suppose most of them are teenagers with no conscience of the seriousness of what they are doing, but if any of the ripped sprites submitted enters the contest, it is supposed to become property of Cipsoft, and the ripper gets his prize...

I can't revise all the boards alone. So, please, I think is responsability of all artists to care for each other, report the rippers and try to give them some usefull lessons for their life... Thx for the collaboration

The boards we should keep an eye on...

http://www.tibianordic.com/forum/showthread.php?t=8217
http://www.tibianews.net/forum/viewforum.php?f=25
http://www.tibiacity.org/forum/showthread.php?t=6192
http://www.tibiamx.com.mx/forums/viewforum.php?f=86
http://forums.tibiabr.com/showthread.php?t=234354
http://forum.tibia.pl/showthread.php?t=171389 (<-- I think I didn't find any art thieves here)

Yes, I know... Many low quality sprites, resized images and such... Just take a fast look searching for possible rips... (I hope I reported most of them...)

Sorry if I went a bit off-topic...

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Back on topic... I think the key is not taking the same palette from a game but studying it and trying to learn why it works in that game to be able to make your own palette. Study the colors, hue-shifts, combinations and specially the contrast among them.

Sorry for the possible english grammar mistakes.

There are a few major problems with this post:

A - Don't have a contest if you can't be bothered to moderate it.  This is lazy and irresponsible.

B - Don't hijack threads that are not about whatever this stupid contest is.

C - Definitely don't hijack threads to advertise stuff.

D - Cipsoft or whoever cannot take ownership of submitted materials if they are not owned by the submitter.  Period.  The submitter had no rights to submit, end of story.

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Re: Ethics

Reply #7 on: April 28, 2008, 09:02:50 pm
When I started pixel art, I spent a lot of time studying sprites from the Metal Slug games. For a couple of years, all of my art used colours taken from those games (as well as a couple more that I added when I didn't already have a suitable colour). I suppose that there's nothing really wrong with using someone else's palette, but once you become good it's nice to pick your own because you can tailor it to whatever you're working on.

Plus, you lose the the little voice in the back of your head trying to convince you that it's ethically wrong. (which you probably have or you wouldn't have started this topic in the first place)