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Heavy WIP Panda...Anatomy issues first.

on: August 29, 2007, 11:13:18 pm
Plenty of work to be done. I can't seem to get the legs meeting the stomach quite right, and the legs themselves...Smeh.




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Re: Heavy WIP Panda...Anatomy issues first.

Reply #1 on: August 30, 2007, 03:56:27 am
We can't do it for you you need to get it as good as you can so keep trying until you think it looks right to you or until you cant do anymore with it then maybe we can help you with minor issues that you can fix yourself. Maybe you can try drawing it with different colors for different parts of the body like draw an arm completely with black and then the body green and so on.  Even if you are not going to see the part of the arm still draw it, it will help with anatomy.

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Re: Heavy WIP Panda...Anatomy issues first.

Reply #2 on: August 30, 2007, 12:11:47 pm
as with most beginners you're making the classic mistake of only seeing the surface form.

Try looking through the object to percieve what going on underneath.

There are key points to look out for on any kind of bipedal form. Working from the top down, these are;

- Dome of the skull
    - Jaw line
- Nape of neck, Clavicles and points of the shoulders
   - Elbows
   - wrists
   - knuckles
   - finger joints to tips.
- Thoracic cavity, including Sternum (Middle line from Nape of neck to Diaphragm) , Pectoral orbs (Chest) and Diaphragm (Lowest part of ribs)
- Round of the belly / solar plexus, obliques, lats
- Pelvic Girdle, points of the hips
- Knee joint
- Ankle joints (inner and outer ankle are slightly off set)
- Heel to Toes.

Try to visualise all these on the model your using in terms of balls, ellipses, and lines connecting them, that way you start to SEE within the object and it makes it easier to build on it.

Knowing and understanding muscle groups from human anatomy can be translated to other mammals so long as you understand how evolution has modified certain elements to adapt to each creatures circumstance. For the most part all mammals have the same underlying structure, albeit altered in terms of bone and muscle length and size.

Once you have that basic (what I call) armature, you can then complete the surface form knowing what's underneath.

This gives you a good 'roadmap' to work from.
« Last Edit: August 30, 2007, 02:27:26 pm by baccaman21 »
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Re: Heavy WIP Panda...Anatomy issues first.

Reply #3 on: September 01, 2007, 12:01:46 am
I would advise working from at least a photograph of the animal instead of a statue, which can be terribly misleading as they are not composed of the same structure or materials in any way.  I also wish to echo what baccamon said, and im going to search for a series of references I posted in another thread that i think is on-topic......

Edit:

all (fit) beasts are created by 3 main components:

the skeleton - notice the universality in chordata?
http://olls.impressur.com/images/batwing.gif
http://www.brown.edu/Departments/EEB/EML/images/wing.jpg
http://www.shsu.edu/~bio_mlt/Bat1.gif
http://etc.usf.edu/clipart/8200/8282/lion_bones_8282_lg.gif
http://www.valpo.edu/organization/psme/pics/instruments/horse.jpg
http://www.northstar.k12.ak.us/schools/joy/denali/Hinzman/wolf%20skeleton.gif
http://www.yourspca.org/images/content/pagebuilder/15123.jpg
http://scienceblogs.com/afarensis/upload/2006/07/Indri%20Skeleton.jpg

the musculature - again the universality
http://elfwood.lysator.liu.se/farp/horses/Image2.jpg
http://img477.imageshack.us/img477/1588/topqb8.jpg
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/archive/c/c0/20070114164525!Arm_muscles_back.png
http://www.carlson-art.com/lifescience/dog-muscles-lg.jpg
http://www.khasemmuscleproject.zoomshare.com/my_images/dorsal_muscles_l.gif

the texture - here is the variation, but not as much as you'ld think
http://www.historyforkids.org/learn/economy/pictures/junglefowl.jpg
http://www.taos-telecommunity.org/epow/EPOW-Archive/archive_2005/EPOW-050523_files/Crotalus%20cereberus%20dorsum%20scales.jpg
http://www.sanparks.org/parks/kruger/elephants/images/anatomy/skin.jpg
http://www.iftf.com/photographs/Sample%20European%20fur%20label.jpg
http://www.rfdc.ac.uk/contentimages/large_HAIR7.jpg
http://www.drsfostersmith.com/images/Categoryimages/largefeatured/1_3883_8663.jpg (i had to look twice, but this dog is alive - it just has a very thin neck)
http://www.geocities.com/thearkfiles/iguanacaresheet_page1_files/iguanas.jpg
http://www.eoni.com/~neener/iguana/iguana18oct01c.jpg




regardless, no matter what components you choose to meld together, they all have certain properties that must not be neglected.  Currently, your dragon is missing most of these things.
« Last Edit: September 01, 2007, 12:03:45 am by Adarias »
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