AuthorTopic: Can someone put eyes on this a tell me why I can't quite get it right?  (Read 552 times)

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Hey guys, I'm new here!

I've been working on this magic floating stone today. I really like how the top section looks, but for some reason I just can seem to figure out how to make the bottom look right.

I'm hoping a fresh pair of eyes will help me figure out what I need to change.

« Last Edit: May 02, 2020, 05:23:06 pm by flieswithowls »

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I can do the first part, but I don't know if I can tell you why it's not right. It looks pretty dam' good to me.

What is it that you don't get on with?

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Here's my try.

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 :lol:

What have I done?

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Nice, everything is kinda here. Just require a little additional polishing.

Here's an attempt of mine:


What could help you improve your piece:

-Be more consistent with your pixel work. Hard to explain that one but everything should look tight and intentional. Maybe this part comes with millage... I mean you really have to think about what you're pixelling and be procedural about it. Even if it's a micro crevice in the rock, it starts somewhere, ends somewhere, it's affected by light and should be antialiased in a controlled and consistent way. You have a tendency to harshly break lines for no valid reason, for instance.

-Avoid things that do not work visually. You should work with the pixel contingency, not against it. Sometimes pixels are too big or too small to represent what you want. In such cases, GIVE UP and WORK AROUND, do not try to represent it in a way that does not work. Here I'm talking about your very small floating rocks. It's almost powder or something. It will not work in front of a background or within tileset. I think it's better to make them bigger and with a similar style to the bulk of the rock. It'll convey the same idea of "this rock is magical or something" but in a more clear visual way.

-Spread your values enough. Here your darks are too close to each other, a light dark can be TOO dark and become counterproductive within lighter areas for antialiasing. It will make a harsh staircase effect instead of smoothing things out which is the opposite of what you want. Here I'm talking about the lower-right part of the upper rock. It's almost like your AA is making things worse just because the light dark is too dark.

-Maybe, make your greys more interesting by coloring them more + ramping them with a hue shift. I made something from bluish darks to yellowish lights but you can do anything. Yours are a bit yellowish and it's good but I thought it was a bit too timid and unsaturated.

-Aim for tridimensionnality even more than you did. Work from simple to complex. Start really simple and geometrical and only then, add a controlled amount of gritty details. Think "edges and planes affected by light" even more. I did not put an emphasis in my edit in order not to modify your piece too much but keep this in mind, it'll help you with rocks.


Oh and I think your bottom part looked weird because it was not geometrical nor rocky enough. It felt unnatural for a rock, even more for an old megalith. If you want your rock to be smoothly grounded, maybe do it with additional soil and grass but not with the rock itself.
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I was worried that this was going to me more eyes, but this is some great advice. I'll be looking through it carefully to see if it can help me with my rock.