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Madam Drew and Ridiculus

on: June 27, 2007, 12:28:12 pm

More fun with Arne's palette :D
I'm going to draw some jars of bat wings or something for her later.
11 colors.

Edit:

Added some candles and a jester. I drew him a few years back, so his anatomy was a bit odd in places, but I think I fixed most of it :)
14 colors.

Edit2: Latest (and final?) version:


:D Thanks for all the help, guys!
« Last Edit: July 11, 2007, 11:40:25 pm by Arachne »

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Re: Madam Drew and her crystal ball

Reply #1 on: June 27, 2007, 01:23:39 pm
I love it outstanding.the only thing I see is that the hand on the left looks alitle weird,I think the hand is to close to the ball,and it's hard for me to make out the hand.Other than that it is a fine piece of work. 2 thumbs up  :y:  :y:
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Re: Madam Drew and her crystal ball

Reply #2 on: June 27, 2007, 01:24:59 pm
ya the hand on the top of the ball isnt very readable. looks like a blob.

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Re: Madam Drew and her crystal ball

Reply #3 on: June 27, 2007, 04:36:47 pm
her right hand reads very well to me actually, but her left hand's pinky looks a tad thick and a tad long, otherwise awesome start!

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Re: [WIP] Madam Drew and Ridiculus

Reply #4 on: June 27, 2007, 08:15:22 pm
Thanks, I'll get that pinky fixed. And I just noticed that the ball is shaped oddly, too. Oops :D

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Re: [WIP] Madam Drew and Ridiculus

Reply #5 on: June 27, 2007, 08:19:10 pm
I like the new picture but the too styles don't match.Ones shaded with dithiring and the others not,But I think you plan on fixing it up.
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Re: [WIP] Madam Drew and Ridiculus

Reply #6 on: June 27, 2007, 08:48:34 pm
Having the Jester in front of the Fortune Teller looks very odd. Presumably her crystal ball is balanced on a table (or something similar) and as such the Jester seems to be standing too close/far forward. I think it would also help with the composition for the Fortune Teller to overlap the Jester.

The candles are out of perspective, or at the very least don't properly appear to have melted at an angle. Like others have said the Jester's hand is weird, and has no reason to be extended like that; making the pose seem very unatural.

You seem to have a good grasp of the palette, but I don't think you managed to portray enough volume on the Fortune Teller's right hand, and the fingers on her left hand seem to be the wrong lengths. This is especially the case with her pinky finger.

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Re: [WIP] Madam Drew and Ridiculus

Reply #7 on: June 27, 2007, 09:57:09 pm

OK, candles should look better now, and I've shortened Drew's fingers. Not sure what to do about the other hand, though :-\
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Having the Jester in front of the Fortune Teller looks very odd. Presumably her crystal ball is balanced on a table (or something similar) and as such the Jester seems to be standing too close/far forward. I think it would also help with the composition for the Fortune Teller to overlap the Jester.
Well, I wanted her a bit more in the background, but I'll see what I can do :) He's already pretty tall, so I guess that's not really a problem either way.
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Like others have said the Jester's hand is weird, and has no reason to be extended like that; making the pose seem very unatural.
Yeah, that's his "ew" pose :D I'm going to add a stack of books or something similar next to him with something icky on top. I hope it'll make more sense then.

Edit: Something more like this?

« Last Edit: June 28, 2007, 12:08:42 am by Arachne »

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Re: [WIP] Madam Drew and Ridiculus

Reply #8 on: June 28, 2007, 03:15:54 am
Looks better...but Drew puts a shadow on the jester's body, and since there are two light sources, (the orange one being the other one) he should set one on her as well. Other than that, looks quite nice.

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Re: [WIP] Madam Drew and Ridiculus

Reply #9 on: June 28, 2007, 05:44:47 am
I'm gonna have to disagree with Zero here. For one it isn't certain that the orange lightsource is directly opposite the blue and for two i think it would have a detrimental effect on the image, you can call it artistic license :D
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Re: [WIP] Madam Drew and Ridiculus

Reply #10 on: June 28, 2007, 09:59:42 pm
Yeah, I think I'll leave the orange there for now.



OK, I made some changes to the jester's head, so now it's less malformed. Still working on the face. He looks so peeved :D

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Re: [WIP] Madam Drew and Ridiculus

Reply #11 on: June 28, 2007, 10:14:45 pm


witch face edit. Sure you want to go with something so cuddly? Great art otherwise, though I agree with some dithering on a stylistic level.

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Re: [WIP] Madam Drew and Ridiculus

Reply #12 on: June 30, 2007, 12:54:45 am
Ooh, good point. She looked creepier in the sketch I started out with. I tried to get her to look more maniacal, but didn't really succeed. I'll give it another go :)



I think I'm done with his face now.

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Re: [WIP] Madam Drew and Ridiculus

Reply #13 on: July 02, 2007, 05:43:55 pm


How about this? :) Not quite sure about the background yet. I want to give a hint at the setting with some shelves of books, bottles, jars of eye of newt or what have you, but I don't want to draw attention away from the characters with too much clutter, either.

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Re: [WIP] Madam Drew and Ridiculus

Reply #14 on: July 02, 2007, 06:22:06 pm
Use the single darkest color to make the background detail with little or no highlights if you want it to be there without attacting much attention. I don't think your with mouth edit is very succesful, personally.

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Re: [WIP] Madam Drew and Ridiculus

Reply #15 on: July 03, 2007, 09:42:00 am
Ridiculous' manboobs look a bit too firm... it's kinda disturbing. Especially his left one.
I still think Madam Drew's fingers are too long, but seeing that I'm the only one mentioning it, maybe it's just me?

I'm going to have to disagree with Helm. I think the mouth does a good job of showing that she has really bad teeth.
I think MDrew's frown looks much better in Helm's edit. 

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Re: [WIP] Madam Drew and Ridiculus

Reply #16 on: July 03, 2007, 09:24:15 pm
Just dropping by to say how awesome this is! Great usage of palette, depiction of anatomy and cloth, and lighting!
You should probably keep the witch's face closer to Helm's brilliant edit. It's clear what you're trying to do with her teeth, but somehow it doesn't work too well. The jester is giving me nightmares... something about that top he's wearing is just disturbing :)
The way you're placing the books, combined with the rest of the composition, will draw too much attention to them i think, since they will be occupying 50% of visual space... maybe put them at level with the witch's head, and make them take about half the size you have right now.
Looking forward to see further progress!

P.S.: 354x267 pixels? Is that like 320x240 with borders for help with composition, or what? :)

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Re: [WIP] Madam Drew and Ridiculus

Reply #17 on: July 04, 2007, 11:31:55 pm


Alright, edited the jester's boobs and the madam's face to bring it closer to what Helm suggested. :) Do you think I should add any more to the background, or is the empty space OK?

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Re: [WIP] Madam Drew and Ridiculus

Reply #18 on: July 04, 2007, 11:52:11 pm
Another shelf or something on the left would help balance this piece.

It's looking really nice.  ;D

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Re: [WIP] Madam Drew and Ridiculus

Reply #19 on: July 06, 2007, 09:48:54 pm


I added a window for balance. I hope the perspective is OK. If there's nothing else that needs fixing, I think it's pretty much done now. :D

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P.S.: 354x267 pixels? Is that like 320x240 with borders for help with composition, or what?
It's coincidental. :) I wanted to do some character portraits, but decided that I could just as well make a bigger piece out of it.

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Re: [WIP] Madam Drew and Ridiculus

Reply #20 on: July 06, 2007, 11:56:50 pm
oh come on, give us a moon in the sky outside now! The perspective... works, though it shows that the piece was originally made in limbospace.

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Re: [WIP] Madam Drew and Ridiculus

Reply #21 on: July 07, 2007, 12:37:45 am
Even a simple flip of the window would give it better balance, just so everything's not facing left.

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Re: [WIP] Madam Drew and Ridiculus

Reply #22 on: July 07, 2007, 04:43:18 pm
outstanding :o

but i have a strange impression that the ball blends into her right hand, like she's pushing the crystal ball really hard and it went inside her palm.
my way of the pixel? -> minimum effort, maximum quality 0_0

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Re: [WIP] Madam Drew and Ridiculus

Reply #23 on: July 08, 2007, 12:38:01 am
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Even a simple flip of the window would give it better balance, just so everything's not facing left.
Neat. That really does help.

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oh come on, give us a moon in the sky outside now! The perspective... works, though it shows that the piece was originally made in limbospace.
Yeah, I'm not used to working on big pixel art pieces, so that's something I have to keep in mind for next time. :)



It works better as balance against the brighter parts of the image now, but not as well as balance against the left-facing stuff, I think.

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Re: [WIP] Madam Drew and Ridiculus

Reply #24 on: July 08, 2007, 12:40:36 am
I love this piece ;) :y: I have a question though, I always hesitated until now to ask, whats with the floating candle wax?

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Re: [WIP] Madam Drew and Ridiculus

Reply #25 on: July 08, 2007, 12:53:04 am
I love this piece ;) :y: I have a question though, I always hesitated until now to ask, whats with the floating candle wax?
If you zoom in to 3x or maybe even 2x, it looks like the candle was originally taller and all of it had melted away except for that side. My only suggestion would be to widen the part that is not melted away so it's more visible at 1x.

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Re: [WIP] Madam Drew and Ridiculus

Reply #26 on: July 09, 2007, 02:24:26 am
It seems like I already replied here, but I guess not. Nice job, the details of the lighting are ace. And that jester is really disturbing :)

The dithering reminds me of demo scene work, it's very nice.

I agree that our left side candle seems to have semi-floaty wax (despite it could have melted and dryed this way, it still looks strange)...
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Re: [WIP] Madam Drew and Ridiculus

Reply #27 on: July 11, 2007, 11:36:46 pm
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I have a question though, I always hesitated until now to ask, whats with the floating candle wax?
Now that you mention it, it does look a bit odd. I decided to remove it, and I think it looks better now.



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