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[WIP] Small dragon. Animation.

on: April 25, 2007, 11:41:55 am
This sketch for small dragons. I try to choose one of their.
Which one? Or maybe combination head from this one and body from other? I think on this, maybe anybody help with this not easily choose.
I will give live many of this sketch, but some later, now I must take one or maybe some repaint.


I have tile 32x64, later this dragon will be animated in this size tile (as a puppy from another my topic).
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Re: [WIP] Small dragon. Help me choose.

Reply #1 on: April 25, 2007, 11:44:50 am
I like 10 best, very cool pose and details.

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Re: [WIP] Small dragon. Help me choose.

Reply #2 on: April 25, 2007, 11:51:12 am
6 or 7 I would like to see animated the most.  To me they seem more natural. 
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Re: [WIP] Small dragon. Help me choose.

Reply #3 on: April 25, 2007, 12:34:44 pm
all look pretty good. I would rule out 2,3,4,5, and 9 as they don't seem to portray the dragon like character enough to me.
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Re: [WIP] Small dragon. Help me choose.

Reply #4 on: April 25, 2007, 01:59:18 pm
haha well to further gum up the works, i like 4 and 8 best :P

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Re: [WIP] Small dragon. Help me choose.

Reply #5 on: April 25, 2007, 02:08:29 pm
I like 7 and 11, 8 looks good to but the upper foot looks weird

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Re: [WIP] Small dragon. Help me choose.

Reply #6 on: April 25, 2007, 02:45:48 pm
haha seriously tough choice.

i say number 1's head and maybe 10's body.

my girlfriend says 11 as a baby dragon.

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Re: [WIP] Small dragon. Help me choose.

Reply #7 on: April 25, 2007, 04:41:14 pm
haha seriously tough choice.

i say number 1's head and maybe 10's body.

my girlfriend says 11 as a baby dragon.

i completely agreed with this statement before i read it :P
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Re: [WIP] Small dragon. Help me choose.

Reply #8 on: April 25, 2007, 10:28:38 pm
well, my first post. i think that number 10 has a great body but i dont like the head. i made a head using a base of the the head 11.

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Re: [WIP] Small dragon. Help me choose.

Reply #9 on: April 25, 2007, 11:21:42 pm
I definitely like 10 the best. The others' heads don't really convey the sharp, slick qualities I'd expect from a dragon. 8 is good too. I think the wings on these two are very good, and are necessary to make it really 'feel' like a dragon.

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Re: [WIP] Small dragon. Help me choose.

Reply #10 on: April 25, 2007, 11:25:02 pm
8 or 10 is gud.
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Re: [WIP] Small dragon. Help me choose.

Reply #11 on: April 26, 2007, 01:41:38 am
haha seriously tough choice.

i say number 1's head and maybe 10's body.

my girlfriend says 11 as a baby dragon.
Heh, I agree completely, as well.

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Re: [WIP] Small dragon. Help me choose.

Reply #12 on: April 26, 2007, 02:57:39 am
Uh, mayhap somtimes people like to misspell things just becuz?

10 all the way.

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Re: [WIP] Small dragon. Help me choose.

Reply #13 on: April 26, 2007, 03:01:58 am
6 or 7 but with some tiny wings added.
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Re: [WIP] Small dragon. Help me choose.

Reply #14 on: April 26, 2007, 07:25:05 am
are you looking for a small dragon , like a short dragon or a baby dragon?
for the first, I think 6, 8 and 10 are a good choice imo, 10 seems to be more adult than the others to me..
for baby dragons, 9 and 11..
difficult to chosse yeah..

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Re: [WIP] Small dragon. Help me choose.

Reply #15 on: April 26, 2007, 02:29:40 pm
Great thanks to answer and you voices!!!  ;D It's help me I hope...
Now We have 2 finalist!
I choose and colour them.
Urghhh! Damn! It's NOT lighten my choise... Now I am think on this again  ???



The color of skin will be a very many (and change by programm) - they will be one-colour and two-colour.
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Re: [WIP] Small dragon. Final choice.

Reply #16 on: April 26, 2007, 03:30:28 pm
The head of the first one has a weird shape so I like the second of your coloured ones best.
Does scaling an image blur it?
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Re: [WIP] Small dragon. Final choice.

Reply #17 on: April 26, 2007, 03:57:43 pm




Daddy dragon >:D

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Re: [WIP] Small dragon. Final choice.

Reply #18 on: April 26, 2007, 06:04:55 pm
10, 8, and 4.  four looks pretty tanked up.

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Re: [WIP] Small dragon. Final choice.

Reply #19 on: April 26, 2007, 06:16:37 pm
Between those two, I like 2 better.  1's beak looks odd, like it'd get in his way.  I like the green skin, the others don't have the hue shift for the secondary color, so it doesn't pop as much.

Very cute, I love dragons.

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Re: [WIP] Small dragon. Final choice.

Reply #20 on: April 26, 2007, 10:21:05 pm
wow, very good color
number 1 is very good, the volume in the face is very realistic
number 2, is very sweet XD, i really like it

my favorite colour? the dragon of the middle (blue), it has a very good contrast and it looks very detailed

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Re: [WIP] Small dragon. Final choice.

Reply #21 on: April 26, 2007, 10:57:24 pm




Daddy dragon >:D
bigger wings Gil! very nice edit otherwise though  ;D

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Re: [WIP] Small dragon. Final choice.

Reply #22 on: April 27, 2007, 12:23:22 am
hey

I would say 10 for an older male dragon, 8 for an older female dragon, and 11 for a baby dragon :).

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Re: [WIP] Small dragon. Final choice.

Reply #23 on: April 27, 2007, 11:11:11 am

Daddy dragon >:D
Nice, man!
It's a serious daddy, very serious... Yes the dragon will be grow, not only face but and with body too... Thank you!
In black skin he is very demoniacal   :hehe:


10, 8, and 4.  four looks pretty tanked up.
Tanked?  :lol: 
Something like this:
:durr:

At long last, they both a very like me and I will animated they both!!! I am :blind: tired choose ))
1 be a Boy.
2 will be a Girl.
They will be have similar animation, because he different only a head - and animation not many to differ from each other, but... man and woman  movements is some different...

Hehe, Just need to start and will see...
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Re: [WIP] Small dragon. Final choice.

Reply #24 on: April 27, 2007, 11:16:09 pm
i meant tanked, as in "like a tank", pretty beefy/ muscley.

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Re: [WIP] Small dragon. Final choice.

Reply #25 on: April 27, 2007, 11:35:01 pm
by tanked he ment strong.  like nothing can get in its way. 

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Re: [WIP] Small dragon. Final choice.

Reply #26 on: April 28, 2007, 09:21:15 am
Wow, very good :y:

One thing though, I think the red dragon looks better with one extra color:

I just recolored the green dragons, but I think it looks better this way.
Feel free to use this edit

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Re: [WIP] Small dragon. Animation.

Reply #27 on: May 16, 2007, 02:44:09 pm
AT LAST!!!
I am finished other task - now time to animate dragons!!!
The first sketch animation for the boy:
on surface:

in stripe:

I like this motion, but this motion - it's small jumps, i tried do another motion like a varan (giant lizard), maybe this will be more useful... will see.

dragonrc Thanks - after you edit, i think a one-color skin is unless, just all colors will be with light front side (like on you edit)
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Re: [WIP] Small dragon. Animation.

Reply #28 on: May 16, 2007, 06:30:02 pm
Very nice, although I think a more lizard-like animation would be more easily recognizable, this reminds me more of a dog run animation...

If you decide to keep this, i suggest making his head move forward and down more with each step, showing more weight, and make the forward paws step further front, and cross his back legs when he takes a step with the hind legs (like racing dogs do while running).

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Re: [WIP] Small dragon. Animation.

Reply #29 on: May 16, 2007, 10:09:53 pm
This actually looks more like how a rabbit would move rather than a large lizard.
Maybe studying the movements of a kimodo dragon would help some?

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Re: [WIP] Small dragon. Animation.

Reply #30 on: May 17, 2007, 08:37:47 am
Very nice, although I think a more lizard-like animation would be more easily recognizable, this reminds me more of a dog run animation...

If you decide to keep this, i suggest making his head move forward and down more with each step, showing more weight, and make the forward paws step further front, and cross his back legs when he takes a step with the hind legs (like racing dogs do while running).

No about head, but Yes about other, most likely. ))  Maybe I decide this move, but for dragon-girl. And I have only 32x64 for animation - I fear this not enough for long throw of back legs, but I am try.

This actually looks more like how a rabbit would move rather than a large lizard.
Maybe studying the movements of a kimodo dragon would help some?

Yes komodo dragon, large lizard - next move will be something like this...

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Re: [WIP] Small dragon. Animation.

Reply #31 on: May 18, 2007, 03:03:05 pm
Skecth animation - it's look like a giant lizard?
Which of type animation is more appropriate for this?

               
Maybe less head bounce? But on surface he is look not too bad...

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Re: [WIP] Small dragon. Animation.

Reply #32 on: May 18, 2007, 07:45:31 pm
if hes going to lope, his forlegs need to come down farther, he doesnt look like hes actually touching the ground.
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Re: [WIP] Small dragon. Animation.

Reply #33 on: May 21, 2007, 03:30:51 pm
Fixed some moments:
Thanks Adarias, it's better? If I right understand you.

As I say earlier, I use small jump's for animation girl-dragon. And fixed some frame - something as you say, Turbo.
           
Maybe need the same animation for both?
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Re: [WIP] Small dragon. Animation.

Reply #34 on: May 21, 2007, 04:24:13 pm
You might.  The guy dragon looks like he's trying to sneak somewhere, those are very large strides.

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Re: [WIP] Small dragon. Animation.

Reply #35 on: May 21, 2007, 10:55:10 pm
I love your animations. I like the guy animation, maybe ass a more serpent-like tone to it. And if you ever decide to animate another, Go for #4 and make him buffer and more armored, cool like. Like some kind of Rhino/Armordillo Dragon.
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Re: [WIP] Small dragon. Animation.

Reply #36 on: June 07, 2007, 02:10:36 pm
Thank, Sharm! Yes!! Sneak somewhere is funnily, it's good! Yes, it's large step, but now I cann't do step smaller (( He most move on 2 tiles.
Chaos Tayoko - " ...ass a more serpent-like tone to it..." Maybe is will be in color vertion, I do this soon...

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Reply #37 on: June 07, 2007, 07:54:23 pm
Oooo i am liking it so far. maybe you should have him flap his wings and hover for a momment before he starts falling.

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Re: [WIP] Small dragon. Animation.

Reply #38 on: June 07, 2007, 10:12:29 pm
add one extra frame showing his front arms pushing to the ground even more. For a jump like that he needs to push with his front arms more than that. I would also add one extra frame to make his back(rear part of the character) one pixel higher.
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Re: [WIP] Small dragon. Animation.

Reply #39 on: June 07, 2007, 11:28:04 pm
In addition to what piotrek said, I think his landing could be more staggered, either with his front or hind legs landing before the other pair. I'm loving the animations so far, though; super adorable. :)

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Reply #40 on: June 08, 2007, 11:12:58 am
Yes I think you right guys, I am try it and this look much better


Chalk: it's good idea, but this must be a just jump, not attempt to fly. He is will be to fly, but something later ))

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Re: [WIP] Small dragon. Animation.

Reply #41 on: June 11, 2007, 03:07:16 pm
Great animation, as usual from you :)

Minor stuff, if you've got the time and interest:
On the walking anim, the head seems to pop around too much, i'd try to make it smoother (maybe simulate some subpixel movement, reptiles tend to be very fluid on their movement). Maybe make the head move one frame later than the body, to simulate some bouncyness and dampening of the body movement (as any creature moves, the body tries to dampen the shocks and bumps from the floor, so that it doesn't get headaches with jittery movement :) ).

On the jumping anim, it looks nice. I'd suggest on the frame where he's falling to the ground, stretching the lizard (with some deformation) to show the speed of the movement.

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Re: [WIP] Small dragon. Animation.

Reply #42 on: June 14, 2007, 02:21:46 pm
Dragon say "No!"


Variation of lie. Maybe first position more readability? But second more impressive. The third it's a something strange, maybe put head under wing...


Position - sit.


He is very like something (like a fawn from dogs).


Move for girl-dragon



Fot Turbo:
Thanks! head on walk is pop around, because it's displacement this sprite on surface is constant (4 down, 2 forward pixels). And when put this animation from surface to stripe, than you see head bounce, but on surface this is not the case, if I right understand you ))))
For jumping, I think I try it.
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Re: [WIP] Small dragon. Animation.

Reply #43 on: June 14, 2007, 02:44:38 pm
Fo the happy animation, maybe move the head back and forward a little bit.
The rest looks good to me, keep up the good work :y:

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Re: [WIP] Small dragon. Animation.

Reply #44 on: June 18, 2007, 03:19:25 pm
Dragonrc, I am try do this step like a giant lizard, and he is not move head when he creep, but thanks, i try it, maybe it's better... maybe... I donn't know now ))
More animation:
Colored jump with improved landing:

Animation for lie:

Dragon want playing )) Nice, but something strange in his move wings and face maybe more happy?...

His be tired:

Dragon is feel angry:

And sketch for very wrathful. Not finish last frames, need added one or two in end stripe for landing. And this fire is NOT big, because stripe have only the 32 px for width ((( Becuase I am do some deformation for his body... Something thinks?:


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Re: [WIP] Small dragon. Animation.

Reply #45 on: June 18, 2007, 08:51:58 pm
I like your angry animation. I'd like to see it with no head movement or slight head movement of a pixel only. This way I think it'd seem even angrier by drawing more attention to the nose flaring.

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Re: [WIP] Small dragon. Animation.

Reply #46 on: June 18, 2007, 09:38:44 pm
This way I think it'd seem even angrier by drawing more attention to the nose flaring.

i agree, i think slower head movements would make it seem like its taking deep breaths.  A lot more emphasise on the nose flare and perhaps the head should go backward instead of up/down.

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Re: [WIP] Small dragon. Animation.

Reply #47 on: June 19, 2007, 02:43:40 am
the lie animation looks a bit like his arm is stretchy, probably because his elbows and upper arms dont move?

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Re: [WIP] Small dragon. Animation.

Reply #48 on: June 19, 2007, 02:18:54 pm
Yes, you right, guys )) Without head moving been first variant (not put here), I am alter him.. why? I donn't Know. The brain is out, maybe ))


hopoo - Strange, I think they move, nevertheless?! Donn't really?

some WIP for expiration fire:

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Re: [WIP] Small dragon. Animation.

Reply #49 on: June 20, 2007, 11:47:52 am
These are all great animations.

On the angry animation, try making the ends of his wings flap back a little, see if that looks better.

The firebreathing animation is looking good, except I don't like how his hands jerk like that. Maybe let them jerk outstretched all the way back?
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Reply #50 on: June 20, 2007, 03:28:24 pm
rabidbaboy With angry, yes, nice idea.Thank you!
About jerk hands - not understand correctly  :huh:, his articulation hand like a dog, and if move him to back - it's brake him  :)

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Re: [WIP] Small dragon. Animation.

Reply #51 on: June 20, 2007, 04:22:25 pm
truly amazing, but this fire breath animation could be a little bit slower, i mean, his head moves too much and too fast
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Re: [WIP] Small dragon. Animation.

Reply #52 on: June 22, 2007, 01:20:44 pm
i like it! although is it truly likely that its head will stay in the exact same position? not turning on its side a little or moving up? just straight forward and back?

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Re: [WIP] Small dragon. Animation.

Reply #53 on: June 22, 2007, 03:26:45 pm
piotrek255 I give some delay, but I think it not need more, because it's must be some like a scare anybody, not attack.

chigsam Thank you! Yes head still in same position - because he use his head like a crosshair and firebreathing do mainly with help a body, not throw fire by head. Of course if I understand correctly you message )))

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Re: [WIP] Small dragon. Animation.

Reply #54 on: June 25, 2007, 04:08:25 pm
the "playing" jump was better without the doggish tong, imho.

(oh, did i mention it is absolutely cute and amazing already ?)

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Re: [WIP] Small dragon. Animation.

Reply #55 on: June 25, 2007, 08:06:42 pm
Wow, the firebreathing is looking so good :y:
My only crit is that it looks like the dragon only has 3 legs in the eating animation.

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Re: [WIP] Small dragon. Animation.

Reply #56 on: June 26, 2007, 02:01:25 pm
I've gotta pop in here and agree with others who are saying that this is nice.  The only crits I can see are ones that others have brought up: the tongue in the playing animation looks strange and his front-left leg is missing in the eating animation.  I really like the firebreathing animation; the fading is very well done.  The only thing I might crit on that is that it doesn't go very far.  If the fire sprays out that far in one frame, I'd think it would maintain at least a little momentum and keep moving rather than suddenly stopping.  It looks nice as it is, but I think it would be even better if it continued to move forward as it faded.

These look quite nice; I look forward to seeing more if such exitst.
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