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Pixel Art awarded a DD at dA

on: April 11, 2007, 11:48:33 am
Hi folks, I lurk here lots, nothing to say till now....

A piece of pixel art has been recognized at Deviant Art with a DD award! Yay! ;D

Link please!

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Re: Pixel Art awarded a DD at dA

Reply #1 on: April 11, 2007, 11:51:25 am
New account, fry?
Edit: oh should have been more carefull while reading, thougt you said it was yours. Sorry.

So. Well there are much more pieces on da that got DD. Good piece still.
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Re: Pixel Art awarded a DD at dA

Reply #2 on: April 11, 2007, 12:02:13 pm
No not my work philipptr, I would not mention it if it were mine!  :)

There is some wonderful pixel art on dA and hopefully there will be more awards to come. It is a wonderful style of artwork not nearly as popular as it should be on Deviant Art although there is an interesting project happening there at the moment. Link please

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Re: Pixel Art awarded a DD at dA

Reply #3 on: April 11, 2007, 12:09:25 pm
I fail to see the point of this topic...

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Re: Pixel Art awarded a DD at dA

Reply #4 on: April 11, 2007, 12:33:02 pm
Well, congrats to Fry, I guess.

For me, DeviantArt's DDs are worth nothing (or close to it).
Practically all of them are just random pieces that the admins/people-in-charge-of-DA picked because they liked them (or people recommended to them) rather than based on quality. So DDs are just biased.
Not to mention that there is a pixel art DD almost everyday.
Then again, some might like being in the spotlight of an ass kissing community for a day, but meh.
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Re: Pixel Art awarded a DD at dA

Reply #5 on: April 11, 2007, 12:47:18 pm
Well, congrats to Fry, I guess.

For me, DeviantArt's DDs are worth nothing (or close to it).
Practically all of them are just random pieces that the admins/people-in-charge-of-DA picked because they liked them (or people recommended to them) rather than based on quality. So DDs are just biased.
Not to mention that there is a pixel art DD almost everyday.
Then again, some might like being in the spotlight of an ass kissing community for a day, but meh.
Yeah true, if there's any place where you're gonna get "OMG AWESOME" or "OMG YOU SUCK" instead of proper comment, it's there.
Also, crappy anime drawings always take the upperhand in the popularity there, while muc better pieces have to bite the dust against them...

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Reply #6 on: April 11, 2007, 12:57:29 pm

Yeah true, if there's any place where you're gonna get "OMG AWESOME" or "OMG YOU SUCK" instead of proper comment, it's there.
Also, crappy anime drawings always take the upperhand in the popularity there, while muc better pieces have to bite the dust against them...

Yes you are so right, the uninformed critique can be most irritating particularly when one looks at a piece of stooged pixel art and the groupies are raving on as to how good it is and it is quite obvious they were ripped sprites with color added by noise filter.

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Re: Pixel Art awarded a DD at dA

Reply #7 on: April 11, 2007, 01:09:49 pm
I really don't like deviantart (anymore). Especially the pixel art section. Tons of crappy sprite comics, and almost no constructive critism on pieces with much more effort. Deviantart seems to become a place to either get "WOOOW SO UEBERCOOL XD ^^" comments or to write them.

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Reply #8 on: April 11, 2007, 01:21:20 pm
I really don't like deviantart (anymore). Especially the pixel art section. Tons of crappy sprite comics, and almost no constructive critism on pieces with much more effort. Deviantart seems to become a place to either get "WOOOW SO UEBERCOOL XD ^^" comments or to write them.


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I find trying to sift through the submissions in the pixel art section akin to riffling through the trash can in the bedroom of a pre pubescent child.

The sad part is that this is the very place because of the sheer weight of numbers which could create a large pixel art community if more people actually knew what pixel art really was.

More is the pity if the pixel greats abandon the place, that will certainly seal the fate of sensible constructive comment on work submitted.

Education is the key....if only there were more educators there prepared to offer constructive comment.

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Re: Pixel Art awarded a DD at dA

Reply #9 on: April 11, 2007, 01:22:08 pm
Something that also really annoyes me there:
"FIRST POST!"
And that's it. As comment on a piece of art they give FIRST POST. Are all those people there 6 or 7?

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Reply #10 on: April 11, 2007, 01:24:02 pm
Something that also really annoyes me there:
"FIRST POST!"
And that's it. As comment on a piece of art they give FIRST POST. Are all those people there 6 or 7?

Sorry, I don't quite follow what you mean?

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Re: Pixel Art awarded a DD at dA

Reply #11 on: April 11, 2007, 01:26:43 pm
What the? haha.

I didn't even know about this... Nor do I really care.  I post my work there because a lot of my animation friends do and I enjoy seeing their work as well, but I much prefer a place like this where you receive actual helpful feedback. 

-Fry

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Reply #12 on: April 11, 2007, 01:32:48 pm
What the? haha.

I didn't even know about this... Nor do I really care.  I post my work there because a lot of my animation friends do and I enjoy seeing their work as well, but I much prefer a place like this where you receive actual helpful feedback. 

-Fry




Hi Fry!


Is this your work that got the DD? I won't congratulate you as it appears dA is a dirty word.

There are a ship load of kids getting interested in pixel art there and if they are encouraged the quality may well improve. If everyone abandons the place then there will be heaps of kids who may never get a decent education about pixel art.

I realize I will probably go down fighting but meh, what the hell....I reckon pixel art is worth fighting for!

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Re: Pixel Art awarded a DD at dA

Reply #13 on: April 11, 2007, 01:42:50 pm
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There are a ship load of kids getting interested in pixel art there and if they are encouraged the quality may well improve. If everyone abandons the place then there will be heaps of kids who may never get a decent education about pixel art.

point these kids towards here. DA is a vanity excersize that has little to do with actual critique and helping people become better artists. It also shapes what I call the 'DA aesthetic' of quasi-painted anime with robots and guns and samurai swords which is very hurtful if trapped in it.

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Re: Pixel Art awarded a DD at dA

Reply #14 on: April 11, 2007, 01:50:09 pm
I agree.

Anyone who wishes to learn more about pixel art should be directed here.  This community will make someone a good pixel artist.

Don't get me wrong, I'm actually quite suprised and flattered that my pixel art made it as a DD.  However, it's not as rewarding as taking a "meh" piece of work and getting the help from this community to make it look like something beyond your expectations, and that's what the DA artists who are interested in pixelling should be aiming for.  A place that gives honest constructive criticism and not just "FIRST POST" and "KEWLERS".

-Fry

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Re: Pixel Art awarded a DD at dA

Reply #15 on: April 11, 2007, 01:58:20 pm
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There are a ship load of kids getting interested in pixel art there and if they are encouraged the quality may well improve. If everyone abandons the place then there will be heaps of kids who may never get a decent education about pixel art.

point these kids towards here. DA is a vanity excersize that has little to do with actual critique and helping people become better artists. It also shapes what I call the 'DA aesthetic' of quasi-painted anime with robots and guns and samurai swords which is very hurtful if trapped in it.

I would be delighted to point them here but the problem is that it will continue to remain an elitist art form with very few proficient artists as you are hiding away from the wider world of young and up and coming artists.

Once they discover what real pixel art is all about, trust me they will find their way here. The point you make about vanity may be quite another thing altogether, some may see it as encouragement. Are you not in the least bit susceptible to your peers telling you they like what you have done with a piece of your artwork?

The thing you dislike about dA will only get worse if there is no knowledge there to teach the young about pixeling....and more importantly the ethics of pixeling.

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Reply #16 on: April 11, 2007, 05:07:06 pm
I would be delighted to point them here but the problem is that it will continue to remain an elitist art form with very few proficient artists as you are hiding away from the wider world of young and up and coming artists.

Why is it elitist? I don't think a medium (not art form, pixels are a medium) can be 'elitist'. We're not pushing anyone away here. Everybody who wants to learn and help is welcome. That's not elitist at all.

There's so many capable pixel artists here who are not hiding at all from the net art scene at large. You're simply mistaken on that count. My own personal choices on the matter partain to a complete lack of ambition to be 'recognised' as 'an awesome artist'. I can live without the asspats.

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Once they discover what real pixel art is all about, trust me they will find their way here.

Fair enough, if they don't get trapped in vanity sites like DA to the point where they're not interesting in making and bettering their art, but just in the social aspect. Pixelation discourages socialization-sans-art-critique (we actually have very few users who only talk and don't do art). We're a critique board foremost. This will never change as long as I'm involved with the administration. DA is an experiment in social clique construction, the art is very secondary.

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The point you make about vanity may be quite another thing altogether, some may see it as encouragement. Are you not in the least bit susceptible to your peers telling you they like what you have done with a piece of your artwork?

Sure I do, but that's not why I make stuff. If you look at my gallery in pixeljoint, you'll see I do odd artwork that isn't usually easy to love. If I wanted to be adored I'd draw big-breasted women and cool hip samurai robots in snes-pastel palettes exclusively. Pixelation doesn't pressure people to make the same style of art because we don't rate, we don't have favourites, we don't have the watch mechanism. We don't reward art with anything other than good critique and honest opinions.

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The thing you dislike about dA will only get worse if there is no knowledge there to teach the young about pixeling....and more importantly the ethics of pixeling.

I hope DA simply collapses on itself soon. I don't care at all who it takes with it, carreer socialites and art pests and all the assorted internet drama. Let them drown.

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Re: Pixel Art awarded a DD at dA

Reply #17 on: April 11, 2007, 05:16:57 pm
No matter how many times you click the 'CRITIQUE ENCOURAGED' box... you will only get shit.

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Re: Pixel Art awarded a DD at dA

Reply #18 on: April 11, 2007, 06:32:51 pm
33 comments and 124 favourites on my Daily Deviation... So far.

Not a single word of criticism.. all asspats.

I'm glad people like it, but I agree with Helm.  I would much rather have constructive feedback much like what I received when I posted it here.

-Fry

 

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Reply #19 on: April 12, 2007, 04:39:44 am
Fry, you will only get ass pats on a DD. If you dare to criticize a DD you will be torn to shreds....I know, I did, I got shit hurled all over me.

What a DD is good for is to get a focus onto it. If it is good,  people will study it but they are unlikely to comment. I have had your piece of work in my reference folder for some time, in order to study various aspects of form and shading. I have many other pieces there as well which I study.

Helm, thank you for answering each point so clearly. I am not going to argue with your points as they are valid feelings for you and probably many others.

To everyone else thanks for taking the time to comment, I appreciate your opinions.

Pixel art is about to happen big time at dA....please yourself if you want to have an influence there or not.....

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Re: Pixel Art awarded a DD at dA

Reply #20 on: April 12, 2007, 05:27:44 am
I hope that deviantart does attract pixel artists, and I hope that those who are serious about pixel art end up here.  Deviantart is a good place to display your work (as I found out today).  However those who are genuinely interested in learning pixel art and want to improve should head here.  Any place that discourages criticism (even if only by the community and not DA itself) will not be helpful in the long run.

But all in all... I won't jump on the Deviantart bashing bandwagon.  I post my work there, so obviously I don't dislike it that much.  It's pretty much the myspace or facebook for the general online art community.   

-Fry

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Re: Pixel Art awarded a DD at dA

Reply #21 on: April 12, 2007, 06:51:05 am
Pixel art is about to happen big time at dA....please yourself if you want to have an infuence there or not.....

Why will it happen big time? Any especific reason?
As far as I know, dA hasn't changed at all for the last couple of years (well, except their retarded user unfriendly designs every year). Why now?

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Re: Pixel Art awarded a DD at dA

Reply #22 on: April 12, 2007, 08:04:28 am
I'm impressed that dA have finally stepped Pixel Art up a notch.

For as long as I've been there, I can only ever recall a handfull of DD that were given to Pixel Art.. and it's a real shame..

I cry each time I browse their 'PA Gallery'

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Re: Pixel Art awarded a DD at dA

Reply #23 on: April 12, 2007, 10:53:16 am
I haven't checked that site for a nice while, but from what I recall there was a fair amount of Pixel Art DDs on quite a regular basis. It's up to the 'departmental' moderators (and also any member) to pick/suggest DDs, so even if Pixel Art suffered from a general lack of recognition at dA, it wouldn't make much of a difference (since the people who put it up at the frontpage would have to trust in the Pixel Art-responsible's expertise. And I believe they try/tried to have as many different media as possible represented in the features).

From what I can tell though, Pixel Art HAS had its high at dA and has been experiencing a decline over last couple of years.

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Reply #24 on: April 12, 2007, 01:29:21 pm
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Pixel art is about to happen big time at dA....please yourself if you want to have an influence there or not.....

Wishful thinking I say. And why would this board want to have any influence outside this board?

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Re: Pixel Art awarded a DD at dA

Reply #25 on: April 13, 2007, 02:48:52 am

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Sure I do, but that's not why I make stuff. If you look at my gallery in pixeljoint, you'll see I do odd artwork that isn't usually easy to love. If I wanted to be adored I'd draw big-breasted women and cool hip samurai robots in snes-pastel palettes exclusively. Pixelation doesn't pressure people to make the same style of art because we don't rate, we don't have favourites, we don't have the watch mechanism. We don't reward art with anything other than good critique and honest opinions.

Well, pixel joint has a 'favorites system,' but i don't think that the interfacing or structure has much to do with it being so different from Deviant Art.

Since we focus on a single medium, there becomes a more tightly-knit group of artists, plus, the mods here as well as at pixel joint are muuuuch more prominent and 'part of the community' at dA. Since our userbase is so small compared to dA, we can handle each thread with care, but at dA, even good artist's pieces can get lost in the shuffle.

Also, their commenting system just doesn't make for an easy way to gain critique. A lot of people don't want to go through the hassle of re-uploading their image, because only the latest one shows, whereas here was can see a progression, and generally our users are more accepting of critique.

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Re: Pixel Art awarded a DD at dA

Reply #26 on: April 13, 2007, 09:07:35 am


Wishful thinking I say.

No, not wishful thinking.


 
And why would this board want to have any influence outside this board?

Because there is a high degree of ethics involved in genuine pixel art, a pride in a job well done, mostly only known by the artist but appreciated by a few very experienced, discerning artists.....and where are those very experienced discerning artists? Here, hiding away while the sh!t piles up higher and higher in the all but abandoned hallways of the p a section at dA.

Instead of siphoning people away from dA it would be far better to create a better knowledge of what pixel art is exactly and let the artform grow there, who knows how many amazing artists are out there who know nothing about  real pixel art and may never know, if all they see are ripped sprites, decorated doll bases and poorly shaded isos.

I know there is a tendency there to be "OMG WOW! THIS IS SOOOO WUUUUNDERFUL!", it is irritating but because of the bulk of numbers viewing, it will always be a fact of life. This sort of comment probably can't be overcome so easily but I do concede it is a real negative about dA.

There is a pm system there...nothing to stop people from writing to a contributor and saying, hey pal we can see you are a bullsh!t artist, you are doing this, this and this, which isn't pixel art and all the real deal pixel artists will pick you as a fake and ignore you big time. So please stop it....

.....and don't forget to add that obligatory smiley grin to your comments....NOT!

Panda....because it is time.

Thanks for all your other comments, read and appreciated....



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Re: Pixel Art awarded a DD at dA

Reply #27 on: April 13, 2007, 09:14:36 am
Pixel-art will never be good  on Da.  I dont really know why you're here - seems like you want to revolutionise DA, well tbh i don't think anyone here could care less about deviant-art.

anyone with decent abilites would only have to type 'pixel-art' into google and they would eaily find this site or one that links to it.  Pixeljoint is pretty high in the google search, and as far as pixel-art resources go pixeljoint is the best archive around.

I'm not really sure about the purpose of this thread and i can only see it ending in being locked.

Lol, its time WTF are you on about...

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Re: Pixel Art awarded a DD at dA

Reply #28 on: April 13, 2007, 10:09:30 am
DeviantArt is a good way do display your artwork and get a lot of people to see it. Giving critics is more or less useless as you're just another member, and the general quota is that you just leave good or bad comment, so most fall in under that banner. There are small communeties that are centered around critique, but as you can imagine, they're mostly for people that are part of that group. Like here, you have to have a closer social network for that to work. If you just go pointing out faults for people you don't know, they'll most likely take it offensively.

I am not interested in going on missionary duty on DA, spreading the "correct way" of pixel and critique. Most use use the site as a portfolio page or to cause attention and trying to convert it into a critique site is a shot in the dark. If I know the individual, I might be able to talk more casually about it. PMing people about their appairant blasphemy is none of my business and I'll leave that to the more extreme. If someone wanted to improve, I'm pretty sure they wouldn't use DA to do it, and if so, they're probably not doing it through the comment system.

So congrants to Fry, thousands of people will now know what you do. (I reckon this is what the topic was about in the first place.)

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Re: Pixel Art awarded a DD at dA

Reply #29 on: April 13, 2007, 10:23:41 am
This is not a hideout for pixel artists. We are all aware of dA's existance, and if some of us are not participating there, it must be for a reason.
Most of the stuff you "featured" on your journal entry was done by members from pixelation and pixeljoint.
If you are trying to "evangelize" pixelart there, I think you are blindly walking towards a wall.

First of all, people won't care much about what you are doing. Why? Because you are a no-one in dA without tons of pageviews, without some high rank/status, without tons of devwatchers, without featured art. For some reason there is this invisible rank thing going on, involving what I said. No matter how good your intentions or art are, you won't make a revolution in dA if you lack those.
Second, most of the people go to dA for showing their stuff and for the whole community and popularity thing, not for learning (and if they do, it is probably because they haven't heard of better places yet). People that are experienced only expect those ass kissing comments there. Those that want to get better through critique have already moved somewhere else (even if they still upload their stuff). And those that are "not that experienced" are those commenters that go like "OMG SO COOL! + FAV!!!". But pretty much everything revolves around popularity there.

What has dA done to us so we would make another "pixelation" there? Why would we want to lend a hand to a huge, chaotic and self destructing community? Why aim there when we have this here?
Also you mention that more emoticonists (heh) are getting interested in pixel art in your notes, why not point them here instead of waiting for your revolution?
We already have what they need, all they lack is pointers here.

It is time you look at the whole thing from a different perspective.
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Re: Pixel Art awarded a DD at dA

Reply #30 on: April 13, 2007, 01:02:53 pm
One thing that I do like about deviantart is the fact that I can see what a lot of my real life friends in different animation or illustration college programs are working on and I can show them what I'm up to too.  It's not a bad community for something like that.  I actually only have five things on deviantart right now (two of them are pictures of my python Belmont).  The other three are things which I had posted here first and received some helpful feedback.

I did however get a lot of messages about pixel art after my piece became a DD, and I directed them here and to Tsugumo's tutorial.

-Fry   

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Re: Pixel Art awarded a DD at dA

Reply #31 on: April 13, 2007, 03:28:32 pm
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Instead of siphoning people away from dA it would be far better to create a better knowledge of what pixel art is exactly and let the artform grow there

No it would not be in my opinion. If some dA artists want to educate as to what pixel art is in their art description, that would be cool, up to them. I don't see the need to go around in a popularity-contest-based internet service and try to take the moral highground about what 'real pixel art is' or anysuch. The only place I can do this is in here, and that's because when you sign up on this forum, you're agreeing to some things, which are wildly, wildly different than those in dA.

Fry, thank you for doing what you said you did. Show people the tutorial, show them the forum and pixeljoint.

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Re: Pixel Art awarded a DD at dA

Reply #32 on: April 14, 2007, 12:43:13 pm
This is not a hideout for pixel artists. We are all aware of dA's existance, and if some of us are not participating there, it must be for a reason.
Most of the stuff you "featured" on your journal entry was done by members from pixelation and pixeljoint.
If you are trying to "evangelize" pixelart there, I think you are blindly walking towards a wall.


I was trying to demonstrate a level of quality in pixel art, naturally at the moment, the best will come from these two forums as this is where the dA pixel artists and others hang out.

As far as being evangelical about Pixel Art is concerned, I don't believe showing examples of what I regard as quality and something which has an appeal not normally seen as a collection, to be particularly evangelical but I will leave that to others to decide.

First of all, people won't care much about what you are doing. Why? Because you are a no-one in dA without tons of pageviews, without some high rank/status, without tons of devwatchers, without featured art. For some reason there is this invisible rank thing going on, involving what I said. No matter how good your intentions or art are, you won't make a revolution in dA if you lack those.

Those that did have all the pageviews, rank, followers and probably brown nosed the 'right' people didn't make much of a difference to Pixel Art at dA in the past. The fact that I am a no one, of no consequence, with no political affiliations makes it easier because it is quite clear I don't have a personal agenda to promote myself or my work, nor am I trying to ingratiate myself with anyone.

As you have taken the trouble to look at my site you may have noticed I do not make celebratory signs nor take screen shots of my landmark number page views. I quite frankly couldn't give a flying toss for that sort of twaddle. I am there to learn and aim for excellence....as far as I have the capacity for so doing. Apart from that, it isn't about *me* creating a revolution I am one minuscule drop in the ocean....Yeah OK, I will say it first....the dA ocean is full of drips!! 

Perhaps one day when I have put in thousands of hours of practice and believe I cannot further improve on my work and feel I am really starting to fly, I will come here and offer what I think is a piece of art worthy of critique in the WIP section. I will then be fully prepared to have my wings ripped off and go through a whole new and valuable learning curve. I have a long way to go and a lot more practice before that will happen.


Second, most of the people go to dA for showing their stuff and for the whole community and popularity thing, not for learning (and if they do, it is probably because they haven't heard of better places yet). People that are experienced only expect those ass kissing comments there. Those that want to get better through critique have already moved somewhere else (even if they still upload their stuff). And those that are "not that experienced" are those commenters that go like "OMG SO COOL! + FAV!!!". But pretty much everything revolves around popularity there.

I wouldn't presume to comment on other peoples' motives for being at dA. I imagine it would be as diverse as it is in any walk of life as to why someone does something.  Why am I there? I am there to learn, that is how I came to discover how bereft dA is of pixel art.

What has dA done to us so we would make another "pixelation" there? Why would we want to lend a hand to a huge, chaotic and self destructing community? Why aim there when we have this here?

That is a question only you could answer. You may not want to be there at all....this is entirely up to the individual as to where  each person feels the most comfortable and productive.

Also you mention that more emoticonists (heh) are getting interested in pixel art in your notes, why not point them here instead of waiting for your revolution?
We already have what they need, all they lack is pointers here.

It is time you look at the whole thing from a different perspective.

I doubt with your comment of 'emoticonists (heh)' that a great many of the really excellent emoticonists would be too comfortable here with that sort of an attitude. It won't be until they leave emoticons behind that they may venture into these hallowed halls of high achievement as has one of the world's greatest emoticonists  in the person of Fool. In fact it was through Fool the emoticonist and his site, I found these forums.

As far as perspective is concerned, my focus is on an expansion of high quality pixel art at dA. This would do no harm to your forums.  If however, there is a rapid expansion of an interest in pixel art at dA without proper oversight from experienced pixel artists like yourselves, your forums are going to be chock a block with crap and second rate sprites, mock up pseudo pixel art, pretty wide eyed dollies in an array of lovely flowing  frocks and cutesy little iso rooms in pastel pinks...mmm, now there is something for which to look forward!!

This of course will make you all as sh!tty as hell and there may well be an all pervading air of belligerence toward newbies as you try to cope, this in turn will make you all look like a bunch of assholes and turn people away in droves. This would be all a bloody pity, as they may never return no matter how good they get, if they leave with a bad taste in their mouths.

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Re: Pixel Art awarded a DD at dA

Reply #33 on: April 14, 2007, 03:35:18 pm
So what you're saying is: We have to educate the people of DeviantArt before they get here so we won't get bad artists, and if we don't our hate for bad stereotypes and poorly educated newbies will make them not like us, or give up alltogether?

There are plenty of people making 'second rate sprites, mock up pseudo pixel art, pretty wide eyed dollies in an array of lovely flowing  frocks and cutesy little iso rooms in pastel pinks' here allready, and I don't recall anyone being banned or shunned for that reason alone. They came here to learn and that's the point. For that matter, DeviantArt is not the hub of the art world. People find their way here from a number of different places and I doubt all of them are experts.

I'm not sure I see what would be so horrible about this scenario. Help DA or people won't like you? I would rather say that taking the step out of DA is the next level of improvement for pixel-artists. If they want to stay there, that's fine. They can go back there if they feel too discouraged by our evil, but I think people have found their way here for a reason. The DA system is not very well suited for learning, and I'm not going to point the finger in an attempt to make it into something it's not.

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Re: Pixel Art awarded a DD at dA

Reply #34 on: April 14, 2007, 06:06:03 pm

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Re: Pixel Art awarded a DD at dA

Reply #35 on: April 14, 2007, 07:09:57 pm
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Perhaps one day when I have put in thousands of hours of practice and believe I cannot further improve on my work and feel I am really starting to fly, I will come here and offer what I think is a piece of art worthy of critique in the WIP section. I will then be fully prepared to have my wings ripped off and go through a whole new and valuable learning curve. I have a long way to go and a lot more practice before that will happen.

You're making too much of a big deal out of what is a pretty natural process of critique around here, I think. Just do your best, post, get points, go back to the drawing board. You don't need thousands of hours (Pixelation : The JRPG) nor do we cruelly rip the wings off of anyone here.

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Re: Pixel Art awarded a DD at dA

Reply #36 on: April 14, 2007, 07:32:30 pm
Indeed. What's with the overdramatisation. Just post your stuff and peoplewill comment and give constructive criticism.
About the whole DA and pixelart thing, I think that if someone is interested in pixelart enough and wants to improve he/she will surely find us.
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Re: Pixel Art awarded a DD at dA

Reply #37 on: April 15, 2007, 03:05:26 pm
Since you are not getting it, let me get straight to the point. You are simply wasting your time. Instead you might aswell pixel or something.
If no one is paying attention to what you are doing in dA, why keep trying there? We already have/are what you are trying to get. It's not like once you join a  community you can't interact with different ones. Simply pointing them here will work. (And then, if they want to stop participating in dA or whatever place it is up to them)
Unlike your assumptions, we won't rip anyone's wings just because of the level of experience they have. We welcome anyone that is trying to learn, and will try to help as much as we can. All you have to do is behave.
About the "second rate" flood, it is not the whole community that should care about the level of the pieces, but each individual for him/herself.
I believe you should experience something before being able to criticise it the way you are doing, so I'd suggest you stop with the over dramatizing bullshit.

Oh and the "Heh" towards the emoticonists was due to how ridicule that word sounds in a serious context. But feel free to take it the way you want, I couldn't care the less.

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Re: Pixel Art awarded a DD at dA

Reply #38 on: April 16, 2007, 04:17:49 am

OK you guys are not getting it. Obviously my fault for poor communication.....

This is not about me, this is about Pixel Art as a respected and widely practiced art form.

There are certain steps required for a respected and well represented art form:

*Volume of people taking notice.

*Plenty of good quality and diverse examples for people to study.

*A clear understanding of exactly what it is and is not.

*A diverse group showing their work with different styles

*A very wide audience of artists looking for new styles which appeal to their creativity to feed the growth.

*Enough reputable artists 'on the ground' to keep integrity to a high standard.

*Enough egos to create a good competitive edge.

You are doing a grand job here and not for a second am I being critical but  I am just putting out the call...be there at dA for the beginning or not, it's up to each one of you.

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Re: Pixel Art awarded a DD at dA

Reply #39 on: April 16, 2007, 04:35:02 am
I suggest you check out PixelJoint, it's very much like DA

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Re: Pixel Art awarded a DD at dA

Reply #40 on: April 16, 2007, 06:28:20 am
The question is, Why does it have to be in deviantArt?
We are practically achieving all the points you mentioned in this place along with pixeljoint. I have no clue why you are so stubborn about dA, but you won't be going far as convincing matters go by simply throwing stuff and lacking reasonable statements to back them up.
It has already been mentioned that pointing here those that are willing to learn will work. If you were wanting to help people that want to get better at pixel art you would be understanding our points already, but all you want is to see something happen at dA.

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Reply #41 on: April 16, 2007, 07:40:16 am
it shouldnt be others initiative to educate
it should be the individuals themselves to learn.

right now its like asking us to go into the middle of downtown and try to preach about pixelart..
most wont listen
alot of people will shrug you off
others will get grumpy for you even talking.

If you want us to go to dA to teach pixelart - thats not going to happen.
In order for people to learn they have to first be interested enough to listen.
If they take that interest, they will find here or pixeljoint much like you did.

this is a specialized art forum where you come delibertatly to learn/practice pixelart.
In any aspect of life - as soon as you get interested or good at something, you specialize into it. Whether it be a career/job, sport, or instrument, you find what you are interested in and go to that.
So if pixelart is whats interesting you or others then come to a specialized place.

dA is everything and anything.
its hard to fine tune anything specific when the board has such a wide horizon and cant focus on any one thing at once.

maby its just us though...
try conceptart or eatpoo. maby they might be more willing to help revolutionize the way natural and CG art go back at dA
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Re: Pixel Art awarded a DD at dA

Reply #42 on: April 16, 2007, 09:28:33 am
I don't see this topic going anywhere, replies are becoming redundant. To conclude what I got out of this topic before locking it: at deviantArt, Pixel Art clearly is misrepresented, considering the manifold professional work showcased in the other, more prominent categories as opposed to the misguiding contents and ignorance about what Pixel Art has to offer, obviously marked by fundamental differences in the demographics of the interest group in question (nothing new).
The two main points seem to be for one, that it's time to clean up with the fiasco, making the medium more accessible for other artists that do not yet know of it, which the dA environment would be suited for very well.
On the other hand, most people here at Pixelation opine that this place serves all the pixel artist's needs, making an effort to play missionary against the overwhelming (OVERWHELMING) masses of ignorance and self-sufficiency not worth it. This insulation might result in less potentially interested artists finding their way to a new hobby, but the place also already enjoys a very fine reputation among industry scouts, and if anybody really was interested in familiarzing themselves with the matter for the specific purpose of refining their skill so they can work with it, they will eventually find this place as a matter of consequence. Furthermore, it also draws appeal of many 'old-schoolists', rediscovering a passion.

If you're good and ready, prepared to cope with a lot of stupidity, submit your work to dA if you will. If it stands out and draws attention, fine, but do not expect anybody to join a crusade if they feel that they already have all they need. I don't see the Pixel Art community coming to any harm if we don't go recruiting into the lion's den. Egoistical? Maybe, but a lot better for your mental balance :).