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Keyboard Pixel Program

on: March 24, 2007, 11:26:25 pm
Does anyone know a good pixel-art program that can work on a modern laptop using only the keyboard?  I used to have one but i forgot what it was, that was 6-7 years ago too.  Are we doomed to just buy ourselves wireless mice to do laptop pixelwork?
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Re: Keyboard Pixel Program

Reply #1 on: March 24, 2007, 11:36:32 pm
Mhh? Don't you have a usb mouse or usb-adapter at home? As for the program, I don't know, I think quite a couple of old programs were operated that way.

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Reply #2 on: March 25, 2007, 01:34:32 am
I remember using one that was dos based, you couldn't get a full range of colors, of course, but it was there. I haven't used it since my childhood, so i wouldn't remember... They do exist though.

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Reply #3 on: March 25, 2007, 01:54:07 am
Mhh? Don't you have a usb mouse or usb-adapter at home? As for the program, I don't know, I think quite a couple of old programs were operated that way.

im well aware that i can find a mouse for my laptop....................but i don't want one; that's why im asking about a keyboard program.

if nobody knows one though it doesnt really matter.
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Re: Keyboard Pixel Program

Reply #4 on: March 25, 2007, 07:18:36 am
The graphics editor included in OHRRPGCE might work for your purposes; it's main limitations are 16 colors per sprite and 80x80 max size. You also need to premake your 256 color 'master palette' which the 16 used in a given sprite may be assigned to (you can have multiple master palettes if needed, in recent dev releases).
Actually getting those images into files might require the use of Printscreen or a screen capture program.

http://www.hamsterrepublic.com/ohrrpgce/
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Reply #5 on: March 25, 2007, 09:00:28 am
Oh, ok, I misinterpreted this then.

Are we doomed to just buy ourselves wireless mice to do laptop pixelwork?

Why so keen on keyboard based controlls? Curiousity? I mean mice or tablets work no different for laptops.

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Re: Keyboard Pixel Program

Reply #6 on: March 25, 2007, 09:06:36 am
Get yourself a mouse or tablet. Believe me, you don't want to pixel with the keyboard. I tried that on the C64, fucking sucks donkey butt, I swear.
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Reply #7 on: March 25, 2007, 02:28:29 pm
Oh, ok, I misinterpreted this then.

Are we doomed to just buy ourselves wireless mice to do laptop pixelwork?

Why so keen on keyboard based controlls? Curiousity? I mean mice or tablets work no different for laptops.

Mice require extra space near the laptop (and hence often preclude laptop usage of the laptop); ditto for tablets (except in the case of TabletPCs, where it's integrated into the screen.). touchpads are a bit tricky but maybe workable for small pixel pieces.
Maybe adarias has other, additional objections; I always found the above requirements fairly crippling to mouse/tablet use on a laptop.

what ptoing says is kinda true; and using a joystick is a bit better than keyboard. Keyboard is fine for small tiles (8x8..16x16) though. Still not as fast as a mouse, but more precise.
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Re: Keyboard Pixel Program

Reply #8 on: March 25, 2007, 03:02:28 pm
the size when using, and the size when packing are the two big annoyances about mice, and even though they pack better i've never like tablets much at all except for freehand sketching.

i mostly was just curious, since i do almost all of my work on desktops (and taking my flash drive between them)

 ill check out that link a bit later and see what it does for me.  it would be great if there was one that i could get a full 256c palette on tho.
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Re: Keyboard Pixel Program

Reply #9 on: March 25, 2007, 03:13:30 pm
Still not as fast as a mouse, but more precise.

Whatwhat? How is keyboard more precise than a mouse, or anything. They are JUST AS precise, as is a tablet as well or a trackball, or a joystick (which is pretty painfull to pixel with too).
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Reply #10 on: March 25, 2007, 03:25:35 pm
Still not as fast as a mouse, but more precise.

Whatwhat? How is keyboard more precise than a mouse, or anything. They are JUST AS precise, as is a tablet as well or a trackball, or a joystick (which is pretty painfull to pixel with too).

More precise because if you know you want to place a pixel 3 spaces to the left of where your cursor is currently, you can just tap the key 3 times, instead of guaging how far to move your mouse... etc. (although after a while it comes just as naturally)

It seems like if anything, the benefit would be not needing space for an extra peripheral.

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Re: Keyboard Pixel Program

Reply #11 on: March 25, 2007, 03:27:48 pm
Well precise is relative. Also it's not like people pixel at 1x or anything. I for one use a tablet since about 3 years now and I would never go back to mouse.
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Reply #12 on: March 25, 2007, 03:32:30 pm
I am the same way, i have to use my tablet whenever i am doing anything art related, pixel or otherwise. I only have a trackball mouse and it's too jerky on the zoom level that i am comfortable pixeling at.

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Reply #13 on: March 26, 2007, 02:51:46 pm
If you are looking for a "portable" mouse, get one of these http://www.newtonperipherals.com/Mogo_Products.htm
It looks uncomfy as hell, but I think it would be better than a keyboard.
And it looks like it would fit in a wallet.

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Reply #14 on: March 26, 2007, 05:41:25 pm
And it looks like it would fit in a wallet.

It fits into the PC-card slot of the laptop. No need to carry around a wallet  :P
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Reply #15 on: March 26, 2007, 05:42:38 pm
I'm aware, but if you are not going to be on your own laptop, you can just carry it in your wallet.

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Re: Keyboard Pixel Program

Reply #16 on: March 26, 2007, 05:54:04 pm
There is a function in windows called MouseKeys that let you control the mouse cursor with the num pad. It may not be the solution you wanted but you might as well try it out: http://www.microsoft.com/enable/training/windowsxp/mousekeys.aspx
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