thanks. im still really trying to learn anatomy. Bought a few books, and have been looking at alot of reference. So at the time that i was drawing this, that was as far as i had come, fully aware of the misproportions, but doing the best i could. Still a big learning process for me, but im feeling alot of improvement
As for the shoulder bit, found that to be one of the most difficult places of the whole piece - erased alot. Should it be more foreshortened, ex more coming towards us?
and well the big wires.. that was just poor on my part

. i suppose i got alittle lazy and tired
thanks again for the encouragment
i really appreciate the thoughts and comments (from both you and alex)