wow, looks like people were flinging torches while I was away, but didn't get too out of hand, okay I skimmed the posts only but I think I got the jist, I did originally make a long animation, then I cut it down, then I tweaked it a bit and made it look better by centering it, but then we added decorate so I was able to add back in frames and also adjust framerates, oops I was gonna post the result but I will have to do it tonight. thanks everybody.