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Crapadon (A Collaboration with Helm)

on: January 29, 2007, 09:06:48 pm
I was talking to Helm and he asked if I was interested in a collaboration. I jumped at the chance. At first I was just going to provide him lines and he would color them, but soon it turned into a form of an "exquisite corpse." I drew the head and then he drew the body. Then I colored the body and he colored the head. This is the result of our work.



For those of you interested, these are my and Helm's work in progress animations respectively.

« Last Edit: January 29, 2007, 09:17:09 pm by David »

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Re: Crapadon (A Collaboration with Helm)

Reply #1 on: January 29, 2007, 09:21:34 pm
I just wanted to say I enjoyed this collab a lot and that I thank David for the apportunity, I was honored.

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Re: Crapadon (A Collaboration with Helm)

Reply #2 on: January 29, 2007, 09:23:39 pm
Holy fuck.
This is awesome.

The only thing that could use some work would be the guitar.
As well perhaps some more dynamic shading on the arms as well.
Also the longest horn seems bent.

But besides those few things I love this.

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Re: Crapadon (A Collaboration with Helm)

Reply #3 on: January 29, 2007, 09:25:51 pm
Yesh the head and the shirt look awesome but that guitar could really use some work.
Looks kind of misplaced with all its flatness over such a well detailed work.
Does scaling an image blur it?
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Re: Crapadon (A Collaboration with Helm)

Reply #4 on: January 29, 2007, 09:41:13 pm
I have issues with the guitar looking unfinished, the fingers on both hands could use some polishing, specially his left hand...and i feel theres something wrong with his right shoe, shading related...maybe include some of those interesting colours on the shoes and pants....other than that, i feel its a superb collaboration, and kudos to both of you.

Kinda liked the old horns though.

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Re: Crapadon (A Collaboration with Helm)

Reply #5 on: January 29, 2007, 09:51:01 pm
That's just briliant.

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Re: Crapadon (A Collaboration with Helm)

Reply #6 on: January 29, 2007, 10:13:18 pm
Wow, looks wonderful. My favorite part is the detail on the head thingy. However, the detail tends to fade as it moves down below head level. He does have some pretty thin legs, and arms are a little strange also, but that shouldn't matter since it was the line art to be colored/chosen any way. Don't think there was any way else to shade the guitar, seeing as how that's how the texture of a guitar should look, in my opinion. The only thing that could possibly change with it, is the shine, which is my biggest concern.
   Why is it, his shirt has some red/pinkish back light shining on it, however, his pants show no such detail? Otherwise, great detail here...
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Re: Crapadon (A Collaboration with Helm)

Reply #7 on: January 29, 2007, 10:15:12 pm
This is an awesome collab. Looks like you go great together. I'd like to see more collabs from the two of you.

I really like the motif for this one, it sort of looks like a chameleon-beetle-man (and I love all those three subjects). The pose and colours are really nice, as are the details in clothing. I really like the pants and shoes, and the guitar too (hot), but it could do with some highlights or shine and shadow from the arm. For the head; wow... just wow. I love the eyes and the drool from the tongue. But, the black line at the side of the shirt... is it supposed to be a seam? I'd suggest making it follow the curve of the shirt, and the wrinkles.

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Re: Crapadon (A Collaboration with Helm)

Reply #8 on: January 29, 2007, 11:35:18 pm
Lol. It seems like everyone's just praising helm's parts. :P
I think this is awesome and, as soon as I finish my pixelator entry I'd be up for something similar with someone.

Anyway, for nitpickage, aside from what's already been said, (which I agree with), I think the only thing that bugs my eye is the eye. I think it could use a bit more sheen. Also the wrinkles in the shoulder look wierd to me...like, as if there's padding beneath them. Oh, one more thing: It looks like some parts on the shirt have very bright hilights but when it gets to the sleeve it's like "Flat!" all up in yo' face.
I love the lower hand muchly, but it could use maybe like some hilights/details on the back. Like some of those bones and veins that pop out when you strain your hand.

That's it. I think the shoes and head are awesome.
Great job, guys!

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Re: Crapadon (A Collaboration with Helm)

Reply #9 on: January 30, 2007, 12:07:17 am
The orange is a bit strong to be used on the shirt, I think, and looks out of place without the legs and guitar catching some of the color too. I'm really liking the folds in the jeans created by draping from the knees, it's an area a lot of people seem to have trouble with and would just rather ignore, but I've lately been seeing more pieces that pay attention to it.

More could have been done with the guitar. Volume and tone knobs, maybe a whammy bar, more detail on the headstock and tuning pegs, and even a shoulder strap would've made it more interesting.

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Re: Crapadon (A Collaboration with Helm)

Reply #10 on: January 30, 2007, 01:02:26 am
christ all mighty  :wah:

im imagining this animated.   :angel:
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Re: Crapadon (A Collaboration with Helm)

Reply #11 on: January 30, 2007, 06:59:48 am
Nice
that looks really good.
The overall design of it is really creative and original, which is always nice to see.

Cant say im a fan though of the pitch black for the shadows.
The blue in the shirt is too harsh a contrast for the rest of the shirt - doesnt seem to fit in and flow with the rest of the colour scheme for the shirt.
The arm doesnt seem to hold as much depth as the neck (other fleshy area of the image).
The guitar would probably be my biggest bit with it though. It just seems to plain and block coloured compared to the rest of the image. Just doesnt seem to fit in with style.
Id also suggest moving the pupil on the eye on the left more forward instead of directly centred.
That way it have him looking more forward which seems to be what he is trying to do.

Really great design.
As you can see, my crits are all nit-picky stuff.
What impresses me the most with this image is how well you manage to blend all the different colours together. the way you make the oranges greens blues purples all be able to work with each other is the most inspiring.
I think ill take a closer look at this later to look at the way you managed that.

Great work both of you.
interesting process in the way you arrived to the final image.

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Re: Crapadon (A Collaboration with Helm)

Reply #12 on: January 30, 2007, 06:16:37 pm
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The blue in the shirt is too harsh a contrast for the rest of the shirt - doesnt seem to fit in and flow with the rest of the colour scheme for the shirt.

I agree with this crit entirely.

About the flatness of parts, please take into account that we worked on this in our separate times and didn't try to 'blend' our styles at all. So it's not that David's parts are underdetailed or that mine are overdetailed. It's just that they are separate. I don't see how my parts having more detail would call for David to follow suit at all.

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Re: Crapadon (A Collaboration with Helm)

Reply #13 on: January 30, 2007, 06:30:08 pm
The lack of consistency and clash of styles is fine. But there should still be a uniform contrast throughout the image.

The pants especially are too light compared to the upper-body.
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Re: Crapadon (A Collaboration with Helm)

Reply #14 on: January 30, 2007, 08:02:34 pm
The lack of consistency and clash of styles is fine. But there should still be a uniform contrast throughout the image.

The pants especially are too light compared to the upper-body.

I don't really agree with that. I think that IS the clash of styles. The upper body looks totally Helm like, and the pants look totally.. I don't know.. SNK-like. And I kinda like it. It really shows that different people worked on this and made a wicked result together.

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Re: Crapadon (A Collaboration with Helm)

Reply #15 on: January 30, 2007, 10:26:37 pm
The lack of consistency and clash of styles is fine. But there should still be a uniform contrast throughout the image.

The pants especially are too light compared to the upper-body.

I don't really agree with that. I think that IS the clash of styles. The upper body looks totally Helm like, and the pants look totally.. I don't know.. SNK-like. And I kinda like it. It really shows that different people worked on this and made a wicked result together.

The guitar, looks like it has a "style" of its own... it doesnt mix at all, to my taste at least, besides from what i read...the head was colored by Helm, and the body by David, and to me, upper body tries to resemble Helm´s colouring.

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Re: Crapadon (A Collaboration with Helm)

Reply #16 on: January 30, 2007, 10:50:35 pm
No, body was done by me.

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Re: Crapadon (A Collaboration with Helm)

Reply #17 on: January 30, 2007, 11:32:26 pm
   The folds on the pants look good, however, they seem kinda like the generic folds you see every day. I would have tried mixing the folds in the pants up a bit, for starters, seeing as how the spiral folds(that many use when no actual reference is used, from what I've noticed...) seem to be the same on both legs. I wish I could make more sense of what I'm saying, but at this rate, I'd be writing a book over something so small. Also, I'd suggest thickening the legs a wee bit, as they seem a bit teeny. Also, his arms seem kinda' sloppy, almost a completely different style of shading than the shirt or head. Gives it an incomplete look, especially the fingers
   The eyes also seem kinda flat. I would suggest bugging them out a bit, much like the eyes of a chameleon, to give it a more lizard type look. I also agree with the bent horn.
   And again, why is there no red lighting on the pants, but it is present on the shirt and arms? Does any one else see this as a little bit strange?
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Re: Crapadon (A Collaboration with Helm)

Reply #18 on: January 30, 2007, 11:50:26 pm
...because it's a collab which was worked seperately, not trading info or editing each other's wips.

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Re: Crapadon (A Collaboration with Helm)

Reply #19 on: January 31, 2007, 01:25:15 am
No, body was done by me.

I drew the head and then he drew the body. Then I colored the body and he colored the head.


Regardless of who did what, i still think the hands have issues, and the guitar looks unfinished, and again, restating, i think its a good collab.