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pixel god video in MS Paint!

on: December 03, 2006, 11:58:57 pm
Wah-wah-weee-wah!
http://www.collegehumor.com/video:1728017
pretty amazing  :)

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Re: pixel god video in MS Paint!

Reply #1 on: December 04, 2006, 12:10:53 am
What's good about painfully tracing a car in mspaint? Moreover, what's godly about it?

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Re: pixel god video in MS Paint!

Reply #2 on: December 04, 2006, 12:39:43 am
He's a good artist, but it's basically just a dumbed down vector piece.

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Moreover, what's godly about it?
I guess you should ask Raffaele Picca since he's this self proclaimed Pixel God.

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Re: pixel god video in MS Paint!

Reply #3 on: December 04, 2006, 12:41:20 am
I realise as much, but thanks.

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Re: pixel god video in MS Paint!

Reply #4 on: December 04, 2006, 01:09:35 am
It is a good piece, but nothing special.  in fact he hardly did work as he used the cuved line tool so often.  also, it seems pretty selfish to call himself the "pixel god".  obviously he isnt a god...even at pixel work.

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Re: pixel god video in MS Paint!

Reply #5 on: December 04, 2006, 01:20:39 am
yeah, not in the least bit impressive. he doesnt even know how to swap colors in mspaint!

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Re: pixel god video in MS Paint!

Reply #6 on: December 04, 2006, 01:34:42 am
I thought it was alright. My only problem with it, is why even bother with M.S. Paint, when he could have just used illustrator to vector it. No big differences in what he was really trying to achieve with the outcome; using curve tools, filling in simple shades, and....using curve tools(not trying to slight any vector users, by the way).
   Now all of this initially said would be invalid if he didn't have some sort of high grade program like illustrator, or photoshop to achieve something like this, but after checking out his other works at his web site, it would be best to assume he has the proper tools to pull it off. Besides, I always thought pixel art was best described as the exact placement of pixels to create a piece, in which case, smaller pieces show execution the best in the majority of cases. In this case, it might be feasible to let it slide, but would be best to just move it to another genre of art: Vector.
   Must have just been a show-off attempt to make others believe, "aww man, I can't even write out my own name in M.S. Paint, let alone draw a car! Awesome!!" Must be hard for me believe it, or maybe me just being a prick, but I use M.S. Paint and do not find this that entertaining. It's ok, but not great. I think he should try pulling for the name "Vector God" instead, and even so, he still wouldn't be better than some vector artists I've seen lately. But then again, it's just my opinion...
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Re: pixel god video in MS Paint!

Reply #7 on: December 04, 2006, 01:45:51 am
It isn't really that impressive technique-wise. It gets a little mangled in the video but it's a pretty simple piece. Not much AA, shading is pretty, but doesn't go for multiple and different-coloured light sources. Doesn't look like there was any attempt at the non-selout/varaiable coloured lines or whatever it is that Helm says he does. It looks like we could probably shrink it to at least half-size and still not lose any important details. Colour-choice is pretty boring

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He's a good artist, but it's basically just a dumbed down vector piece.
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Re: pixel god video in MS Paint!

Reply #8 on: December 04, 2006, 03:28:04 am
So trying to show off makes you a god now?

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Re: pixel god video in MS Paint!

Reply #9 on: December 04, 2006, 03:55:25 am
OMG HE'S REALLY GOOD!!!


 :lol:

I like what he did with those wheels, but the rest is pretty unspectacular, especially the windows....
When do I get to see him actually pixel?


EDIT:
Just noticed the caption at the top of the video about being good at MS Paint......If I used it more frequently, I'd be infuriated!  :P

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Re: pixel god video in MS Paint!

Reply #10 on: December 04, 2006, 04:36:02 am
uh that made me cringe, and I'm sure if it was playing in real time theres no way I could watch it
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Re: pixel god video in MS Paint!

Reply #11 on: December 04, 2006, 05:25:29 am
he uses the term pixel in that he does work on a computer... he doesnt actually do pixel art. plus mspaint isnt one of the tools used listed on his page.

i think his work isnt very good. the anatomy on most of it is really funky

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Re: pixel god video in MS Paint!

Reply #12 on: December 04, 2006, 08:11:16 am
I was honestly shaking my head through the whole thing.

He's using a 2x2 linetool to make a humongous car. There is no AA apart from a few semi attempts where he just traces the outside of the lines with a middle colour. The shading he used on the cars body is on the verge of pillowshading as he just fills one light colour with another with no breaking edges, change of hues or blending. If this was tracing (which in itself drags it down a bit), he got the perspective wrong on the wheels and other various places.

The video was also blurred and zoomed out. If that thing was shown off in full view and detail it would look pretty bad.

Checking his page, I noticed that there is no pixel art on it whatsoever. If you want a nickname portraying your vast grasp of all digital media, why not "Digital God", "Digital art God", "PC painter God".

Ironically, his digital gallery was nothing "godlike". Not to my tastes at least.

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Re: pixel god video in MS Paint!

Reply #13 on: December 04, 2006, 12:53:34 pm
Yeah, he suffers in a lot of fundamentals, and fakes his way through such deficiencies with overphotoshopping and such.

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Re: pixel god video in MS Paint!

Reply #14 on: December 04, 2006, 01:20:01 pm
Yeah, he suffers in a lot of fundamentals, and fakes his way through such deficiencies with overphotoshopping and such.

I concur.


What bothers me is his so called "God Status." I wish people would try and research things before they make claims for which they have no qualifications for.

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Re: pixel god video in MS Paint!

Reply #15 on: December 04, 2006, 01:25:52 pm
I don't think it should be taken so seriously really, I was joking for one. It's just an internet name, possibly chosen when he was like, 13, like Darkgodofdarkness34235 or shadoWolfgrrrr, whatever.

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Re: pixel god video in MS Paint!

Reply #16 on: December 04, 2006, 02:09:34 pm
Nothing godly about this vid. It's like "HAY guys I can draw using paint!".
But the guys who frequent/stays here on this board, I consider are demi gods and potential gods of pixel art in the future.  :P

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Re: pixel god video in MS Paint!

Reply #17 on: December 04, 2006, 05:29:00 pm
http://www.digg.com/videos_animation/MS_Paint_God

It's on dig now, currently at 2119 diggs... Reading the comments is simply a horrible experience. People seem to think the guy is an expert. Some even claim it's fake due to it's brilliance. Guess there's not much that can be done sadly. Making a statement on Digg is like talking to a wall. A wall with a rating system.

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Re: pixel god video in MS Paint!

Reply #18 on: December 04, 2006, 07:15:43 pm
:)

That whole thing reminds me of a guy who wasted 100h of his life on making an over 3megs MSpaint crap. http://www.ubersite.com/m/84167.

He didn`t even know the basic pixelart techniques, like aa or dithering (the spray tool and pillow shading used instead).
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Re: pixel god video in MS Paint!

Reply #19 on: December 04, 2006, 11:14:48 pm
if the video compression hadnt given it  AA i bet this piece would look shit.  Its ok - nothing more.  far from godly.

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Re: pixel god video in MS Paint!

Reply #20 on: December 04, 2006, 11:33:10 pm
*wonders if he should record himself in mspaint*

DON'T STOOP TO HIS LEVEL! it's not the pixelation way to show off. ;)
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Re: pixel god video in MS Paint!

Reply #21 on: December 05, 2006, 02:02:53 am
we're talking shit on this guy, for what reason now?

a half of the artists here aren't that greater than this guy either :\

I'm sure I'll be flamed and headshot for this...

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Re: pixel god video in MS Paint!

Reply #22 on: December 05, 2006, 02:16:30 am
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we're talking shit on this guy, for what reason now?
I was just gonna say that too. I don't think the picture looked that bad, frankly.

And even if it did look bad... so? I for one wouldn't enjoy stumbling into a forum and find someone flaming my work. :-\

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Re: pixel god video in MS Paint!

Reply #23 on: December 05, 2006, 02:33:49 am
well its pretty obvious that he didnt post the video for educational reasons. just an attempt to get some notice. all were saying is that its really not worthy of such hype.

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Re: pixel god video in MS Paint!

Reply #24 on: December 05, 2006, 07:44:36 am
It's the "god" thing that started this all.  :lol:

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Re: pixel god video in MS Paint!

Reply #25 on: December 05, 2006, 08:52:36 am
what really impresses me
is that it was done under 5mins!

 :crazy:
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Re: pixel god video in MS Paint!

Reply #26 on: December 05, 2006, 09:32:10 am
I don't think it should be taken so seriously really, I was joking for one. It's just an internet name, possibly chosen when he was like, 13, like Darkgodofdarkness34235 or shadoWolfgrrrr, whatever.
ShadoWolfgrrr? Heyheyhey!  >:(

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Re: pixel god video in MS Paint!

Reply #27 on: December 05, 2006, 11:06:07 am
There's only one pixel god. And his name is..
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Re: pixel god video in MS Paint!

Reply #28 on: December 05, 2006, 11:19:07 am
"his name is.." King in Yellow? ;)
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Re: pixel god video in MS Paint!

Reply #29 on: December 05, 2006, 03:44:55 pm
ShadoWolfgrrr? Heyheyhey!  >:(

haha I'm sorry, I didn't mean to offend, the name just came to mind! My own nick is Helm for goat's sake!

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Reply #30 on: December 05, 2006, 04:40:33 pm
haha I'm sorry, I didn't mean to offend, the name just came to mind! My own nick is Helm for goat's sake!
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Re: pixel god video in MS Paint!

Reply #31 on: December 05, 2006, 04:48:27 pm
Woah, that must take a lot of experience and technical drawing skill.. My hat is off.

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Re: pixel god video in MS Paint!

Reply #32 on: December 05, 2006, 08:51:25 pm
haha I'm sorry, I didn't mean to offend, the name just came to mind! My own nick is Helm for goat's sake!

lol,  I always wondered about that nick name. Wierdly enough, it fits.

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Re: pixel god video in MS Paint!

Reply #33 on: December 05, 2006, 09:06:20 pm
Also,he sketched it with a tablet.

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Re: pixel god video in MS Paint!

Reply #34 on: December 06, 2006, 04:49:44 am
Meh.
I wish it showed actual pixel techniques. Not really Pixel art IMO. Sure, it's good, but not great.

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Reply #35 on: December 06, 2006, 06:00:46 am
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Not really Pixel art IMO.
Is it even supposed to be?  :-\

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Re: pixel god video in MS Paint!

Reply #36 on: December 06, 2006, 08:04:57 am
WOW!!! That is most impressive! It started off so simple and turned into something gorgeous and stunning at the end!

Why are so many people here dumping on it? It's amazingly well done!
Like, I can understand being envious and even jealous, but must we scoff at the artwork in such a spiteful way?

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Re: pixel god video in MS Paint!

Reply #37 on: December 06, 2006, 08:25:52 am
Bragging about something that looks mediocre, just because it was done with MS Paint is lame.
It's like building a house with cardboard boxes and showing off. It looks like crap, but hey I made it with cardboard boxes! I'm the CARDBOARD BOX GOD!!
But ah well, let it be.

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Re: pixel god video in MS Paint!

Reply #38 on: December 06, 2006, 08:27:47 am
its not about that at all, ryona.

he's a good artist, we've established that.  But this shows nothing of pixel-technique.  thats all.  He may as well have used a vector program because thats what he's treating it like.

the point is this...
good art isn't necessarily good pixel art.  Same goes with any other medium to work with.  You must know the medium in which your working with thoroughly to make the most out of it.  If he knew some stuff about pixel-technique, I'm sure this would be tons more impressive.  Flood-fills simply wont impress me after what I've seen on this forum.  I do admire his lines though. 

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Re: pixel god video in MS Paint!

Reply #39 on: December 06, 2006, 08:06:36 pm
only, a cardboard box house would be much more impressive. :P

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Re: pixel god video in MS Paint!

Reply #40 on: December 06, 2006, 08:32:39 pm


Uhm... not sure   :-\

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Re: pixel god video in MS Paint!

Reply #41 on: December 06, 2006, 08:41:48 pm
Woah awesome! :D
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Re: pixel god video in MS Paint!

Reply #42 on: December 06, 2006, 09:19:31 pm


OMg man that is like, uber godly. ONLY A GOD COULD HAVE CREATED SUCH A THING. Seriously i love it.

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Re: pixel god video in MS Paint!

Reply #43 on: December 06, 2006, 09:22:54 pm
thats nothing - I made a cardboard castle in the front lawn of girl's house before.  complete with red carpet made of those cheap-o huge rolls of paper.  t'was a creative way of asking her to the dance.

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Re: pixel god video in MS Paint!

Reply #44 on: December 06, 2006, 09:40:02 pm
Thank god I found this thread, I've been trying to explain to people that this was not a "pixel art god" all week, but they didn't get me at all.


"It's made with pixels right?"

And when you try to explain what pixel per pixel means, they just laugh. .  >:(

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Re: pixel god video in MS Paint!

Reply #45 on: December 07, 2006, 02:49:29 pm
Someone from Pixelation should do one of those pixel art session videos of something way more impressive than this and post it up on YouTube. Might get some good attention from the general, unknowing public.

Then again, it could also be a disastrous bandwidth-eater if it were to succeed a bit more than expected, I dunno.

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Re: pixel god video in MS Paint!

Reply #46 on: December 07, 2006, 03:09:35 pm
thats nothing - I made a cardboard castle in the front lawn of girl's house before.  complete with red carpet made of those cheap-o huge rolls of paper.  t'was a creative way of asking her to the dance.
Yeah yeah  ::)

Someone from Pixelation should do one of those pixel art session videos of something way more impressive than this and post it up on YouTube. Might get some good attention from the general, unknowing public.

Then again, it could also be a disastrous bandwidth-eater if it were to succeed a bit more than expected, I dunno.
We already have a few video-tutorials here.

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Re: pixel god video in MS Paint!

Reply #47 on: December 07, 2006, 03:25:05 pm
Poor technique aside, the final image looks dull. The colors are uninspired and the angle is generic.

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Re: pixel god video in MS Paint!

Reply #48 on: December 07, 2006, 09:16:07 pm
We already have a few video-tutorials here.
Yeah, I know. That's what I was referring to. :)
However, those videos are really only used within this and other communities like Pixelation, and not really for showing off to people.

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Re: pixel god video in MS Paint!

Reply #49 on: December 07, 2006, 09:36:10 pm
If it hadn't been a car, it might've been a little better. Cars are just one of those things that have.. almost step-by-step guidelines even. There are specific ways to shade a car, in the design industry. Certain angles always work the best. Certain angles for the wheels are also always more effective to make the image more fun to look at. I was surprised he didn't use the standard window shading technique, really. Because... even if it's THE standard, I think it might even look better. It's the standard for a reason, right?

So, yeah. If you can draw a car, you can draw a car. There's not much more to it. There are no ways to make a car more dynamic. There are no ways to make it interact with something else in an exciting way (unless you make it crash and explode, but that's something entirely different, then). A car is just a car. Let me try that two or three times, and I bet I can give you the same result. Probably quicker, judging by how long he messed around trying to get those curves right. (That WOULD have been better with vectors.)

Also, the more praise something gets, the less I automatically like it, and I bet that thing there gets a ton of praise from people who can't even tell apart the flaws in his process... and his nickname.

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Re: pixel god video in MS Paint!

Reply #50 on: December 08, 2006, 12:15:36 am
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he's a good artist, we've established that.

Have we? Have you looked at his homepage, he is mediocre at best and all his stuff is mindnumbingly boring and generic.

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Not liking something because it gets a lot of praise is just as stupid as liking something because it gets praise.
Either YOU like something or YOU don't. If it's a matter of others liking it or not, sadly, then you are a tool.
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Re: pixel god video in MS Paint!

Reply #51 on: December 08, 2006, 06:55:28 am
Yeah, I know. That's what I was referring to. :)
However, those videos are really only used within this and other communities like Pixelation, and not really for showing off to people.

Well, the videos here were made for educational purposes, not showing off.
Either way, for sharing these kind of pixel videotutorials, we would need to keep the quality, and all the videosharing sites decrease it a lot (making them blurry, mainly) and kinda defeats the purpose.

But if you know any solution for sharing around without losing the video quality we are all ears.


Also, the more praise something gets, the less I automatically like it.

Yeah, I agree with ptoing, that's lame >:0
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Re: pixel god video in MS Paint!

Reply #52 on: December 08, 2006, 01:38:24 pm
I guess that works in reverse, Rox? The most people hate MSpaint, automatically the more you think you're hardcore for working in it?

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Re: pixel god video in MS Paint!

Reply #53 on: December 08, 2006, 02:19:32 pm
hating something because everyone loves it is a bit silly, most of the time I'd already hate it regardless of how popular it is, and usually when something isn't popular its much easier to enjoy it :P

and on the subject of mspaint helm, I think this video proves that the average person is impressed with mediocre results if they were reached through mspaint :P
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Re: pixel god video in MS Paint!

Reply #54 on: December 08, 2006, 02:37:37 pm

But if you know any solution for sharing around without losing the video quality we are all ears


Lemon amiga has amiga intros online that are fine can see all pixels etc. no loss. http://www.lemonamiga.com/ maybe someone could email them and ask?

it's flash i think last i looked

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Reply #55 on: December 08, 2006, 02:54:57 pm
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and on the subject of mspaint helm, I think this video proves that the average person is impressed with mediocre results if they were reached through mspaint

I don't think anyone ever contested that the average person is impressed by mediocrity. If one artistically sets his sights to impressing his peers and 'average persons' then he can do well with very little. Consider if this is a path of interest to you.

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Re: pixel god video in MS Paint!

Reply #56 on: December 08, 2006, 03:00:48 pm
I don't think anyone ever contested that the average person is impressed by mediocrity. If one artistically sets his sights to impressing his peers and 'average persons' then he can do well with very little. Consider if this is a path of interest to you.
i was merely adding to your remark 'people hating mspaint = level of hardcore' - 'people underestimating mspaint = level of impressiveness'  :P
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Re: pixel god video in MS Paint!

Reply #57 on: December 08, 2006, 03:51:16 pm
people underestimating mspaint

More like people underestimating the level of boredom and willingness of self-mortification some people are able to bring onto themselves.
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Reply #58 on: December 08, 2006, 03:54:50 pm
i should say, by 'people' i meant those average people I mentioned earlier :lol:
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Reply #59 on: December 08, 2006, 04:45:24 pm
Stop trying, you lost >:0


Lemon amiga has amiga intros online that are fine can see all pixels etc. no loss. http://www.lemonamiga.com/ maybe someone could email them and ask?

it's flash i think last i looked
Well, the videos could be converted to .flv and then set some flash video player. That for sure.
It could be considered (and I think it was discussed already on the video tutorial thread), but setting it here would suck too much bandwidth I guess.
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Re: pixel god video in MS Paint!

Reply #60 on: December 08, 2006, 06:48:09 pm
I don't think anyone ever contested that the average person is impressed by mediocrity. If one artistically sets his sights to impressing his peers and 'average persons' then he can do well with very little. Consider if this is a path of interest to you.

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Re: pixel god video in MS Paint!

Reply #61 on: December 08, 2006, 11:14:37 pm
Ugh, Kincade, painter of shite!
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Re: pixel god video in MS Paint!

Reply #62 on: December 09, 2006, 12:14:00 am
Ugh, Kincade, painter of shite!

 :y: ;D     :y: ;D     :y: ;D     :y: ;D     :y: ;D

PS: I really hope you checked the link, and didn't just recognize a Kincade original off the bat.
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Re: pixel god video in MS Paint!

Reply #63 on: December 09, 2006, 12:18:23 am
It's not that hard to recognise one as they all look the same.

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Reply #64 on: December 09, 2006, 12:20:35 am
It's not that hard to recognise one as they all look the same.

Yeah, I'm just being facetious.
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Reply #65 on: December 09, 2006, 03:17:07 pm
It would be an interesting experiment just adding the word 'msPaint' to any dead discussion. Would create an instant debate.  :hehe:

I think I'll consider carving circles with a rock in the vague shape of Mona Lisa. If I post it on youtube I could be "The Rock god"! I'd beat Jimi Hendrix in just a few weeks.  :y:

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Reply #66 on: December 10, 2006, 05:40:21 pm
I can't get the video to run for some bizarre reason, but i saw his finished work.

By the looks of it, he just doesn't know enough about pixelling. The outline on most of it is a useless 2 px width, it is essentially a dumbed down Vector image, and the kicker is he saved it as a JPG (enemy format! :O ), making it all auto AA'd and gross.

After looking through his 5 years worth of works of wonky anatomy and 'Shopping, his subjects don't seem too varied.

And oddly enough, PixelGod only has one piece even remotely related to pixel art.

But, hey! You gotta trust the National Pick of collegehumor.com!
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Re: pixel god video in MS Paint!

Reply #67 on: December 10, 2006, 06:05:11 pm
finished work.

Omg omg omg not only is it already an eyesore, but it's JPGd.  :noob:

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Reply #68 on: December 10, 2006, 06:17:07 pm


That's a wonderful painting! If it's supposed to go in Quest for Glory 4.

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Re: pixel god video in MS Paint!

Reply #69 on: December 11, 2006, 01:10:49 am
Kincade is about as kitsch as it gets, too bad there are no stars and stripes waving in the picture :0#
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Reply #70 on: December 11, 2006, 01:18:57 am
can someone enlighten me on why that painting is so horrible?

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Reply #71 on: December 11, 2006, 03:05:57 am
Wow... After reading a number of posts in this thread, I gotta say that alot of people here are pretty arrogant and egotistical.

Ofcourse, I don't mean to offend. Just an observation.

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Reply #72 on: December 11, 2006, 05:27:36 am
haha

"You look like your face caught on fire and someone put it out with a chain.  No offense, it's just an observation!"

I think this discussion just stemmed from the fact that this guy is a self-proclaimed "god" and that there are many people who seem to support that opinion, when he is clearly not deserving of that title.  Keep in mind that most people here object to having ANY artist being called a "god," whether or not that artist is mediocre or amazing.

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Reply #73 on: December 11, 2006, 06:41:13 am
can someone enlighten me on why that painting is so horrible?

Ditto. I guess my artistic tastes aren't as heightened as you guys, but I think it's a lovely scene. I'm not saying it will be remembered forever and ever, but...it looks good to me. I guess I'll have to check this guy out and see the rest of his gallery just to get a hold of the hateration. But seriously, it's 500 times better than I could ever pull off by pixels, or by any media.
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Reply #74 on: December 11, 2006, 08:18:18 am
people find the painting horrible because people find the painting cliche. however, i am a robot so i have no opinion on the subject.
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Re: pixel god video in MS Paint!

Reply #75 on: December 11, 2006, 08:45:07 am
Just check all the other paintings Kincade made and you will start to get a strong gag reflex and feel the bile rising soon enough. More or all his pictures are these ultra cliche peaceful American landscapes and quite a few of them reek patriotism by having a good amount of American flags waving in them. It's just really, really flat and boring white american christian conservative kind of stuff that is too sickenlingly sweet for my likings. I for my part never said he is a bad painter, technically he is skilled, just his subject matter is puke reflex inducing to me.
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Reply #76 on: December 11, 2006, 09:53:43 am
Quote from: Thomas Kinkade - Wikipedia
In Kinkade's own words,

    There's been million-seller books and million-seller CDs. But there hasn't been, until now, million-seller art. We have found a way to bring to millions of people, an art that they can understand.

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Reply #77 on: December 11, 2006, 11:12:26 am
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Wow... After reading a number of posts in this thread, I gotta say that alot of people here are pretty arrogant and egotistical.

Ofcourse, I don't mean to offend. Just an observation.

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Perhaps you shouldn't attempt hit-and-run value judgements. They usually don't lead to good things. If you feel compelled to comment on someone's character on the internet, why don't you adress them directly, tell them exactly what they said that you object to and give them a chance to explain themselves.

It is all the more telling that you're expecting an asskicking that will not arrive.

About Kinkade, ptoing at al: technical merit is one thing, the majority of one's work being redundant or abhorrent on the motive and aesthetic level another. Pixelgod I said, and maintain, doesn't know how to draw right. He should work on his fundamentals. His humans are wonky in lights and anatomy, faces especially strangely made, lips improvised, so on. Furthermore I do find his work garish and generally over'shopped, but that's another thing. At least this Kinkade person seems to be technically accomplished to a degree.
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Reply #78 on: December 11, 2006, 12:16:17 pm
Sorry about my earlier post. Coming back and reading it again, I notice that it sounds like a troll post. I appologize for that.

But back on the main issue, I still don't understand why half of everyone who have responded in this thread have been so smug and criticizing so negatively.

Yes, the artist shouldn't proclaim himself a "pixel god". And yes, such a self-proclaiming title does deserve some ribbing. And yes, this is not necessarly pixel art in the sense that it's not done in a "pixel by pixel" method. But all that doesn't take away from the fact that the artwork still is good regardless.

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Reply #79 on: December 11, 2006, 12:29:04 pm
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fact that the artwork still is good regardless.

Is that really a fact, though? Isn't there room for opinion on what constitutes good art? Aren't I allowed to have my opinion that this is, pretty dull, uninspiring, a terpid trace-over of a photograph, with little to nothing going for it? Is it smug or me to have such an opinion? Why?
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Reply #80 on: December 11, 2006, 12:30:21 pm
Sorry about my earlier post. Coming back and reading it again, I notice that it sounds like a troll post. I appologize for that.

But back on the main issue, I still don't understand why half of everyone who have responded in this thread have been so smug and criticizing so negatively.

Yes, the artist shouldn't proclaim himself a "pixel god". And yes, such a self-proclaiming title does deserve some ribbing. And yes, this is not necessarly pixel art in the sense that it's not done in a "pixel by pixel" method. But all that doesn't take away from the fact that the artwork still is good regardless.
I don't think I could go so far to say its good.. just pretty much everything he did was done wrong, firstly the overall design is very generic and I think the only reason he used mspaint was for shallow attention grabbing (hehe)
but making a video of its being made just means he expected people to be impressed and immediately suspect fraud, that or he thought people could learn something from this- both are not reason enough to record a video for this specific piece
then hes called himself pixelgod, while its just an alias it still gives some impression of how high he regards himself, and considering he saved in jpg he must be a cruel god :P
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Reply #81 on: December 11, 2006, 12:41:29 pm
Sorry about my earlier post. Coming back and reading it again, I notice that it sounds like a troll post. I appologize for that.

But back on the main issue, I still don't understand why half of everyone who have responded in this thread have been so smug and criticizing so negatively.

Yes, the artist shouldn't proclaim himself a "pixel god". And yes, such a self-proclaiming title does deserve some ribbing. And yes, this is not necessarly pixel art in the sense that it's not done in a "pixel by pixel" method. But all that doesn't take away from the fact that the artwork still is good regardless.

Well, you summed up what most of us have been saying all along, at least for my part anyway. He's got skills above average, and clearly knows how to make a car-design. That, however, does not justify for the points mentioned. For that matter, you've got to take what people say with a grain of salt. The whole ordeal is pretty silly and I doubt anyone is out to hurt the guy.

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Reply #82 on: December 11, 2006, 03:28:49 pm
Is that really a fact, though? Isn't there room for opinion on what constitutes good art? Aren't I allowed to have my opinion that this is, pretty dull, uninspiring, a terpid trace-over of a photograph, with little to nothing going for it? Is it smug or me to have such an opinion? Why?

It's just the way I see some people delivering their opinion. Rather negative and arrogant kind of manner. I understand that some people don't like the design for a number reasons outside the skill value. Yeah, it is a pretty dull pic. Like, it's just a car. I understand that. But, well, ehh... I'll just let it go. lol



I don't think I could go so far to say its good.. just pretty much everything he did was done wrong, firstly the overall design is very generic and I think the only reason he used mspaint was for shallow attention grabbing (hehe)
but making a video of its being made just means he expected people to be impressed and immediately suspect fraud, that or he thought people could learn something from this- both are not reason enough to record a video for this specific piece
then hes called himself pixelgod, while its just an alias it still gives some impression of how high he regards himself, and considering he saved in jpg he must be a cruel god :P

Point taken. heh
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Reply #83 on: December 11, 2006, 05:36:57 pm
I've bolded all the main bits coz this is just a ramble topic

I agree with Ryona in that I think some people are delivering there opinions in a some what arrogant manner, but that could just be my and her interpretations. The truth is the artist has used the medium without realising just how it can be used, this is supported by the fact he doesn't use any real pixel techniques. I'm inclined to think he doesn't really understand the industry of pixeling (2d game graphics primarily). If he were to compare his piece to some of the pieces I have seen in professionally developed 2d games and otherwise then he would easily be out done. I think the most of people are aggravated more by the praise he is receiving for what they would consider relatively easy work using a pixel medium, and furthermore mostly inappropriate use of it. Helm is right when he highlights that the average person is impressed with mediocrity, however to the average person this doesn't appear as mediocrity, Yes his piece is a fair bit bland and unoriginal but then again most people don't do in depth studies of art, they like what they see which is why unoriginal pieces are common, maybe he felt like doing a car because he liked doing cars not for everyone else. And maybe he made it into a video because he wanted to share the picture he thought was rather nice, done in a medium that most (including himself) think is shit, and thought it would be funny ("like being a professional kazoo player"). I recall throughout my school days a surprisingly large number of people who could barely draw stick figures, hell I recall one person who always missed out the body in them and that was during final year highschool art class. Most people find ms paint an impossibly difficult art program hence when they see anything done in it that looks good, even with faults they are amazed, I recall when I first showed pixel art done with ms paint, they were pretty frikin impressed by my skills and I wouldn't call myself exactly that good knowing full well what others are capable of. The fact he has titled himself a pixel god is ignorant and big headed. But from those pieces of his I saw I wouldn't be saying he was a bad artist, just an artist with room for improvement, not unlike everyone. In short, what would Jesus do... :y: There is nothing wrong with having the opinion the piece is bad, but there is also nothing wrong with liking it. Art like all forms of attraction is entirely subjectively oriented(dependant on the person). some will like pictures of naked women others will like pictures of... goats (you know who you are ;)). So everyone take it a little less seriously.
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Reply #84 on: December 12, 2006, 09:40:20 am
Not liking something because it gets a lot of praise is just as stupid as liking something because it gets praise.
Either YOU like something or YOU don't. If it's a matter of others liking it or not, sadly, then you are a tool.
That's true. I am somewhat of a tool. I'm aware of it, and found I can't do anything about it. I've always felt less and less interested in something the more I notice other people talking about it. I'm not sure if it's some bizarre after-effect of always having lived in the past, behind the times, sort of (I played Half-Life 2 for the first time in my life yesterday!), but that's the way it is for me. It might also have something to do with me being cautious and trying to stay as neutral as possible until I can experience something of my own. The downside of that is that to stay neutral, when everyone thinks something is SO GOOD, I balance it out by convincing myself it's NOT that good. I think I take that too far sometimes. I've got a recent example, too. Gears of War. Everyone I've seen praises that game. Everyone I know who's played it are scheming on forcing me to try it out as soon as possible. The impression I get from all of this, is that it's overrated. I know I'll like it if I try, but I haven't tried it, so to stay neutral I consider it mediocre until further investigation. Now I accept that it is good, even though it still doesn't interest me at all, but before it was released I was ashamed of all the extreme hype going on about a game I honestly DID think looked mediocre at the time. Hype is bad!

It's not a conscious choice I've made, to work like this. It's just something that happens. I'm not exactly proud of it. But I confess that I find it slightly more acceptable than assuming that something is AMAZING, just because everyone else says so. Even if it is, in one way, the exact same way of thinking. At least this way I can be pleasantly surprised if proven wrong. I think something in the past has triggered me to always avoid potential disappointment whenever possible, or something. This behaviour may be a part of that. Make no mistake, though, I never think something is BAD because people talk about something. It just lessens my expectations a lot.

Whee, psychology.

[edit] By the way, I'm talking about first impressions here. It's not like I'll ALWAYS hate EVERYTHING that is popular. See, I'm playing Half-Life 2 for the first time here, and I'm already having mental speculation with myself about what exciting things might happen if/when they make a HL3. It's a fantastic game. It's just, like I wrote above, my expectations on a product go way down the more people talk about it. But that's just how I expect it to be, not what I'll always think. Okay, I think I'm done writing now.. [/edit]


I guess that works in reverse, Rox? The most people hate MSpaint, automatically the more you think you're hardcore for working in it?
Heh, not quite. I've never said I'm hardcore. Stop judging me and assuming things! But, yes, outside of the community, part of the charm with pixel art is, actually, that I can make it with what seems to be passed as the MOST USELESS SOFTWARE EVER MADE. Because Paint ISN'T useless. It has uses, and I'm using them. See?

But... the kicks people get when they see pixel art for the first time, that's a minor point (even though it is fun to leave an impression on people). I've already established why I use Paint! It's easily accessable, and with pixel art being a minor hobby of mine, is all I need.
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Reply #85 on: December 12, 2006, 06:36:32 pm
Here's a quick rant on Kinkade. When critics look at a painting (or traditional medium) they take into account their knowledge of art history. Art is communication across time and culture, which is why paintings that shocked 19th century France (Manet's "Le Dejeuner sur l'herbe", for instance) may seem meaningless to the common observer (who wouldn't know "The Judgment of Paris", genre painting dimensions, or several specific bourgeois socialites). Like any field, art delights in the esoteric, and the classic pieces generally hold more than a single layer of information. Throughout Western Art, an informal hierarchy of subject matter was established. Biblical and political scenes top the list, while still-lifes and landscapes are the lowest rungs. (One of the reasons that there weren't female "masters", since in Western Europe, women weren't allowed to study nudes, limiting their genres to the less-important ones, but that's a whole other topic) The primary reason for this distinction relates to the amount and type of information that a particular genre can convey.

Since Kinkaid is primarily concerned with targeting a non-educated art market, his paintings offer no communication beyond the superficial visual aspect. (As far as his technique is concerned, I suspect he paints heavily from photos or even over photos for the elements of nature in his paintings, but again, this is another separate point.)

As a result, Kinkade's work becomes the lowest common denominator, the dick and fart jokes of the art world.

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Re: pixel god video in MS Paint!

Reply #86 on: December 12, 2006, 06:45:39 pm
However we are not 'the art world', in fact what we do here (pixel art, game art) would be considered all sorts of hilarious or sad by the 'art world'. I think the posted picture by this Kinkade fellow is wonderful, I like the feeling I get from it a lot, though I am not a christian, nor an american (which are what Kinkade considers his audience) I appreciate it for other reasons than he ment them, or maybe for simpler ones that apply to most sensitive beings that enjoy nature.

Obviously, a picture of a waving american flag doesn't do anything similar to me.

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Re: pixel god video in MS Paint!

Reply #87 on: December 12, 2006, 06:55:50 pm
Boo, I missed my chance to rant.

edit: whoop, I guess not, topic's still going

Kincade is technically talented, but his work is pure kitsch - not in the interesting contemporary kitsch-as-avant-garde way, either - in the completely intentional and unabashedly generic way.

Kincade paints cottages covered by snow in the woods because he knows that people are not scared or threatened or confused by cottages covered by snow in the woods. There is, purposely, nothing original or experimental or creative in any form. The reason for this is because he knows he can sell a painting that is familiar and unthreatening and beautiful. He knows that contemporary art in America has been a failure for the past 70-80 years because it's foreign and incomprehensible to the average American audience.

So, essentially..

American culture is afraid of the avant-garde (due largely to the fact that our disposable income has rapidly surpassed our level of sophistication). American culture is afraid of things that they do not understand, and they see no reason to attempt to understand them. This is why 8th-graders in art classes throw a few splats of paint on a canvas and make jokes about how they're just as good as Rothko or Pollack or Mondrian or (etc etc).

Ironically, it's also the same reason (or at least strongly related to the reason) that people regard Picasso as an absolutely timeless master while failing to acknowledge that he was actually a really unoriginal asshole. Or the reason that people regard Van Gogh as a master, and will tell you about how he cut off his ear, but couldn't tell you anything about why he's worth putting in the art history books. Or the most perfect and ironic example, where people paint quote-unquote "Warhol style" portraits of themselves without understanding a damned thing about what Warhol's work meant.

American culture (and not to just pick on Americans, here, this could be translated to most cultures) by and large does not understand modern art because they don't even understand how to learn how to understand it. And naturally, we reject and fear most quickly that which we can't understand.

WHICH IS WHY Thomas Kinkade is making a fortune and driving a stake into the heart of American culture at the same time.

Which is why most-if-not-all artists hate him with a burning passion (and give Kinkade postcards to their friends as jokes).

-phew-

edit 2 - Helm, don't think so poorly of pixel art's place in contemporary culture.. video games are (although nested deep within a state of serious camp) *the* contemporary medium for art.
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Re: pixel god video in MS Paint!

Reply #88 on: December 12, 2006, 07:56:43 pm
However we are not 'the art world', in fact what we do here (pixel art, game art) would be considered all sorts of hilarious or sad by the 'art world'.

I never claimed to be a part of (or that pixel art, Pixelopolis, or Don Knotts is a part of) the art world the textbooks recognize. However, Kinkade borrows the medium and techniques from that realm, so he deserves their critique. I just posted some rationale for the people who are like "I don't see why people hate Kinkade paintings so much. I think they're pretty to look at and my Grandma has one in every room and she bakes the nicest cookies imaginable and she loves me so she could never be ignorant."

I'm sure your Grandma is a sweet person. There's no need to push her down the stairs while you set fire to her Kinkade garbage.

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Re: pixel god video in MS Paint!

Reply #89 on: December 12, 2006, 08:11:23 pm
I'm sure your Grandma is a sweet person. There's no need to push her down the stairs while you set fire to her Kinkade garbage.

It's too late to save Grandma. I worry more about little Jimmy.
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Re: pixel god video in MS Paint!

Reply #90 on: December 13, 2006, 03:57:27 am
I just bought my mommy a Kincade Caldendar for christmas.
After looking at the summary of months on the back i see what you mean  :-\

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Re: pixel god video in MS Paint!

Reply #91 on: December 13, 2006, 02:34:03 pm
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edit 2 - Helm, don't think so poorly of pixel art's place in contemporary culture.. video games are (although nested deep within a state of serious camp) *the* contemporary medium for art.

Let me propose a modest reversal: I do not think poorly of pixel art's place in contemporary culture, I think poorly of contemporary culture.

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Re: pixel god video in MS Paint!

Reply #92 on: December 13, 2006, 08:29:04 pm
ah, ptoing i see. of course im american AND christian( :o) we were talking about how this pixel god wasnt even technically skilled so thats what i was linking it too when you said the painting is bad. not the emotion or subject matter.

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Re: pixel god video in MS Paint!

Reply #93 on: December 15, 2006, 07:41:43 pm
More OT, but funny.

http://www.somethingawful.com/index.php?a=1918
http://www.somethingawful.com/index.php?a=3863

An old SA Photoshop thing involving a few Kinkade masterpieces.