Anatomy?

[Nix]

i have never tried doing anything that is in the shape of a human, ever, but recently, due to boring religeous education lessons, ive been doodling alot of them, anyway, i drew one today which i was really impressed with, so i scanned it and pixelated a outline, before i start colouring, i would like some C&C on the anatomy and maybe some examples of how to correct, i need to do the hands properly, but i will do that with colour.

also, feel free to colour my line art

p.s is the head the wrong shape?

[Wes]

The legs and arms both seem very, very short to me. I'd also probably define the shoulders from the upper arms a bit more.

[Ryumaru]

 i did this little piece as a crit for another piece, but it might be helpful for you aswell:

the main problems in your image are:
- the deltoid muscles wrap awkwardly on the arm, this is also because of some bad shaping.
- the pectoral muscles are WAY too big and are too " solid" without him flexing.
- his lats are too thin, and seem to be almost concave.

i cant crit any of the lower body because im horrible at it myself

edit: apparently i stand corrected. i couldve sworn that there are 5! ive been living a lie!
edited my little diagram.

clr: most of what i find while image searching " abdominal muscles" or " abdominal diagrams" or " abdominal anatomy" is lots of women in tight workout clothes.

[Helm]

whoa, too many abs there, Ryu

[Ryumaru]

this diagram seems to differ, helm:

(good abdominal diagrams are hard as hell to find on google)

[Indigo]

actually, that diagram is inacurrate.  simply put.

[Alex]

ryu, how long did you search google. It isnt hard to find accurate anatomical diagrams about anything, you may need to spend time but its not impossible.

[The B.O.B.]

Well if I remember correctly, there is no set amount of abs every person can have. I believe it depends on genetics. Certainly, there is no such thing as a person with a set of 20 abs, but a person with 4-5 set of abs or some even reporting 7-8 sets, is actually accurate. Not very likely, but possible. And in my opinion, Ryumaru gave a valuable crit to the original piece posted in the thread.

[Indigo]

i have never heard of this before, therefore i naturally doubt it's validity.  I'll look into it

but now that I look over it, I dont see any extra abs in Ryu's first post.  they might be a bit squished vertically maybe, but the bottom row suggests that it leads into the crotch area.  Either way. I agree with BOB that your post was very valid and valuable.

[Helm]

I've never heard of different amounts of abs on different people, and it sounds extremely improbable. I'll look into it myself.

*Summons Big Brother'

[Macks]

I am absolutely certain that that is false.
Some people are more genetically predisposed to having "abs" but this does not entail them actually possessing them. When someone is said to have abs, it implies that they have significant muscular strength and a lack of "belly fat".  All humans(Of a certain gender at least) have identical muscle structures unless altered by some deformity.
In the case of the abdominal muscles, it looks a bit like this.

[The B.O.B.]

  Hmm. I coulda' sworn that I read some study on the net about the number of abs in the human body. I remember reading particular cases where some people were genetically predisposed to have more abs underneath the layer of fat in their belly, mainly cause I was interested in that part of the anatomy at that time. Must have been false statements I guess. But at the moment, my vigorous searching of google, and yahoo has proven nothing. So I guess if I have no proof, there is no validity in my original post. No need for the executioner, I suppose.
   As for the art itself, the pose looks mighty strange, but that shouldn't matter really. In fact the only issue I'm having is that if the doodle is a "he", than he has some womanly hips going on. Also he's looking a little top heavy. His legs, especially from the knees down, seem smaller than usual. Maybe in a cartoony way this could probably pass, but I need to see more where this is going in order to crit a bit more.
   Sorry about the confusion though...

[robotriot]

German Wikipedia says the amount of horizontal divisons of the abs varies between zero and four, depeding on the person. So it is possible to have a "ten-pack".

[big brother]

* poof * The ab wizard appears. On second thought, please do not call me that. Let us never refer to this again.

For the number of abs, Ryumaru's piece seems correct, as long as the navel appears just below (or close to below) the six-pack. The vesalius reference picture looks incorrect, unless we do have a hidden top pair of abs tucked away under our pecs.

I've never seen 10-pack abs before. And believe you me, I set aside one day a week to peruse abdominal photos on Google Image search. Oh my.

There are some genetic variations on their shape (they can look to interlock or seem wider apart), but I'm pretty sure everyone has the same number of muscles. I guess that it could look like you have fewer abs based on your body fat composition, but not more than 8.

[Ryumaru]

what b.o.b is probably thinking about is this thing that seperates the muscles. there is only one mucle, the rectus abdominus, or something of the sort, and there is something that divides it into the seperate muscles. perhaps this division can change depending on the person?

[ndchristie]

my spetmom, an occupational theropist, said that while shes seen different visible patterns based on fat and exercise and a number of other factors, the muscle itself has a set number of subdividisions creating the six-pack in all humans.  any other number, though it is possible to see, is not the actual muscle...so i guess you are all right?

[Dusty]

Sure, maybe some people can have more abs, but some people can also have arms longer than normal down to their knees. I doubt you want to set that as a standard for anatomy though. So sure, maybe it is possible to have more abs, but maybe we should stick to the average anatomy of a person, and not the exceptions?

[Helm]

Well said. Was just surprized to see wrong ab charts.

[Nix]

Havmt Edited the abs and arms yet but im going to completely redraw the arms.

i just wnated some c&c. on how im shading the body. is this a nice skin tine to use? and is it correclty aa'd?

[Terley]

knee is too low, I'd suggest fixing the anatomy while it still isn't too much hastle.

[Nix]

raised the knee, legnthened him as well,



have i dithered correctly?

[VictorR]

I fixed a majority of your problems. Stance, muscle defenition, the concaves and incaves on the bones. Anyways the guys calve was way to small and your stance was off. Biggest problems.

[sharprm]

I don't know what the guy is supposed to be doing. Is he a ballarina or is he doing some sort of 'crane' kung
fu stance?

[Nix]

kung fu stance.

[Godslayer]

Firstly, I edited your colored leg. Gave him muscles on the thigh, and made the knee and shin more realistic.

Then, I used a red to outline the three major forms, pelvis, rib cage, and cranium as simple boxes. Keeping them balanced with make your figure more well planted. Since he shifted his weight to his right leg, all of his body would shift with it to keep balanced. Then I re did the arms and leg to match up with the rest. From there I realized a fundamental problem of leg length- or lackthereof. Your colored leg should be longer to match his body.

[junkboy]

I'm no anatomy expert, but this might help you.

[Conzeit]

anatomy -> http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showpost.php?p=733144&postcount=553  http://www.conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?t=26748  http://www.tsofa.com/forum/index.php

sorry to just post a link, but I honestly think it's THAT good a resource :p...besides I'm not actually that knowledgeable in the subject.