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I need some help

on: November 06, 2006, 05:44:31 am
Ive had pro motion for a couple months now and I finally looked up how to use onion skinning for animations.  Heres what ive come up with so far.  Any edits/crits would be great.
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Re: I need some help

Reply #1 on: November 06, 2006, 06:19:11 am
Do your legs bend upwards?
Because mine sure don't.

Here's a walk cycle base I finished working on a few days ago.


Notice how the knees bend rather then flex upwards?

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Re: I need some help

Reply #2 on: November 06, 2006, 12:43:38 pm
awwe I see.  thanks, ill edit later today...damn school.

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Re: I need some help

Reply #3 on: November 06, 2006, 02:28:46 pm
Souly that animation is very problematic to serve as help for others I think. The limbs stretch and contract, some frames are almost same-place... generally, I'm surprised nobody has picked those faults apart in your own thread, and I'm no animation expert. Just saying that it's not as clean as it needs to be used as a base for others.

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Re: I need some help

Reply #4 on: November 06, 2006, 03:45:36 pm
I liked his better, it just needs Souly's sprite's bounce, and it'll look very cartoony.
I kinda like it, just make it bob down when his feet are farthest apart, and up when his feet meet.
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Re: I need some help

Reply #5 on: November 07, 2006, 04:39:02 am
Souly that animation is very problematic to serve as help for others I think.
Haha, funny.

What Helm says is true, but Souly's does get the point about kneeness with his sprite. And yes, it does need some bounce.
Also, some torso rotation (or as I like to say, torsotation) and hip rotation (or as I like to say hippotation) would help this to look more natural and less stiff.

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Re: I need some help

Reply #6 on: November 07, 2006, 01:15:43 pm
Despite its flaws, souly's example is perfectly adequate for reference. It will serve as a positive model for the problems in joseph's animation. Further, souly's animation may not be technically up to par- but to the average gamer his animation is quite nice.

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Re: I need some help

Reply #7 on: November 10, 2006, 03:53:07 am
alright, heres an update:


still not the best but im finished...I almost gave up...then indigo's tutorial helped me a lot.

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Re: I need some help

Reply #8 on: November 10, 2006, 12:33:40 pm
Joseph,

This new edit looks much more professional however there are still a number of things which are not quite right.

Firstly this edit is somewhere between a run and walk.

  -There is no vertical movement of the body (adding this may hide some of the other problems - looking closely his legs seem to change length don't they?)

Secondly the upper leg (thigh area) does not seem to move correctly.

  -Look at the 'high point' & central 'conact' point;

   http://www.idleworm.com/how/anm/02w/walk1.shtml

Also the legs don't bend enough when returning to their forward position.


Here is a final link useful for working on walk and run cycles on a pixel level;

  -http://www.manningkrull.com/pixel_art/tutorials/walking.asp

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Re: I need some help

Reply #9 on: November 10, 2006, 04:24:35 pm
I see your points, thanks.  Ill do some small edits but otherwise im done.  I will add a verticle motion as well however I dont know exaclty how this will work out.  there are only two frames where hes entirely off the ground, so it would look more like a fast jump, but ill figure something out, thanks again.